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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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welcome Fade to Black I'm your host

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Jimmy church today is Wednesday March

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8th and tonight Our Guest is Stacy Lane

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Wilson we're going to be discussing

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amongst other things but my two favorite

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subjects music and the Paranormal she's

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a multi-award-winning author journalist

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and filmmaker specializing in rock music

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history she's a Hollywood historian and

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author of the best-selling Gen X Memoir

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so la and also she's the creator of the

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rock and roll nightmares book series and

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she directed a movie that I love and you

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need to check it out it's a documentary

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called

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the ventures stars on guitars as she has

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interviewed David Crosby John Fogerty

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and Gene Simmons and many others and I

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would like to welcome for the first time

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to Fade to Black Stacy Lane Wilson Stacy

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good evening how are you

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how are you

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fantastic

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and uh it's great to have you on the

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show but before we get things started uh

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you get the First Time guest

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disclaimer okay okay I'm bracing myself

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yeah here we go Stacy it's just you and

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I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end as

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friends see it was that wasn't too rough

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I can live with that quite easily

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accepted right except you can click on

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uh uh I I this is actually where I want

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uh for you growing up what came first

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intertwined

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um Court music probably because my dad

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is Don Wilson of The Ventures so you

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know from conception I guess you could

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say I had the music in me but uh there

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was that and then also but my dad and my

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mom loved horror movies and scary books

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um I remember my dad letting me stay up

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really late to watch um The Pit and the

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Pendulum starring Vincent Price and you

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know he loved all those uh Universal

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monsters in the Vincent Price movies and

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stuff like that so I think that's

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probably where it all started and my mom

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loved to read Stephen King so I got to

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all those books that were um you know

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popular than the true crime books now uh

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instrumental surf music scene well I can

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even take an instrumental off and just

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say surf music and did that did that

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dominate things or did you venture I

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and and other into other types of rock

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kid and you're growing up your parents

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are just totally uncool so to me you

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know the ventures weren't Led Zeppelin

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say I mean that was my favorite band I

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Love Led Zeppelin and the doors and Jimi

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ventures until I got older and then

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appreciation through making the

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documentary because I interviewed so

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um musicians that I grew up loving like

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a big fan of the Venture so I

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um were just so effusive in their love

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and appreciation of the ventures and how

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um the band really got them to pick up

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the guitar and to love it and I learned

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appreciation for the ventures and what

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they did for rock music and the bands

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that I loved I mean even Anthrax is uh

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you know loves the Venture Scott Ian uh

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being a rhythm guitarist you know

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thanked the ventures in the liner notes

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of one of their albums and said you know

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the ventures have done so much for

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thrash metal and so uh it was really

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great to kind of get that sort of

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re-education Through The Eyes of other

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I had I had mentioned to you in an email

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I said every musician every guitar

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player has got a venture story

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it doesn't it doesn't really matter

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uh the style of music everybody's got a

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venture story and not that I'm gonna you

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know bore everybody with my own but what

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is yours no I wanna

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pretty extensive album collection

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of the Dave Clark Five and the ventures

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and and so I'm flipping through I'm like

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how many albums can a band make

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right right there's all these Ventures

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very young uh started listening to it

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and the my Venture story is this

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the guitar tones were different

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and that's what caught me that caught me

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very early on this was it was a

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percussive thing it was an aggressive

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um it was uh and gnarly is the word I'm

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looking for right there was this thing

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about attacking the strings and and

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getting toned that way and I heard that

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and I've never changed and I think a lot

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of guitar players will will actually

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talk about that exact thing it's about

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you know the the right hand has so much

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effect on tone and that's what the

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ventures did and and you could hear it

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on nearly every track

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right I mean dick Dickerson who um has

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Ventures Mania among his many groups um

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he was in the documentary also talking

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about how Noki Edwards is really a punk

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guitarist and he was punk in the early

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60s and he you know he uh referenced

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quite a few different concerts but um

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the ventures in Japan 1966 is like a

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really bombastic you know hard concert

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ventures you know with Hawaii 5-0 or

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something like that that's kind of light

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in an earworm and fun to listen to but

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there are some songs that are are really

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um rock it's hard it's hardcore and punk

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um and if you go back to a lot of that

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um you know I'll tell you I'm going to

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say this

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um Pulp Fiction did more to expose the

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attitude of that right to the masses and

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this Eerie thing that's aggressive now

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you're right it can be ear candy that's

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how you want to perceive it but really

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underlying there is a definite attitude

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yeah absolutely and one of the things

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that was brought up again and again when

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fancier guitar players like um Jimi

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because there are no vocals to get in

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the way of the purity of the guitar and

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the music and that's really how

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people that wanted to learn how to play

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guitar just through by ear basically but

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guitar with the ventures albums I think

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they had three of them in the top 100 of

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the billboard which is kind of unheard

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of you know how to play guitar records

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being that popular yeah absolutely and

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let me let me ask you this

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um your dad being who he is

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did they did your parents uh have a

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ghost in the house

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did you ever talk to them about these

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subjects ghost of course yeah I mean

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young and my dad was actually married I

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think eight times I kind of lost count

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he had a girlfriend named Debbie and

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um she actually died in his house on New

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um turned out that she had an ectopic

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pregnancy that burst and it was just a

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really tragic thing

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um and it was awful she was wrapping

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presents in front of the Christmas tree

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and that's ruptured and she died but um

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house in Sherman Oaks which wasn't far

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from Tom Petty he was kind of he was a

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neighbor Glen Campbell was a neighbor so

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it was really that kind of hilly area of

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um and so the house was haunted we all

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sort of came to believe my dad had a

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pool room downstairs and you would hear

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like the pool balls going in the middle

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of the night and it would sound like

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someone was playing pool and you'd go

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downstairs and that they would be the

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balls would be out on the table but

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nobody would be there and so we all kind

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of thought it must be Debbie just kind

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of letting us know she was still there

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still with us the what what I have found

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is that musicians uh I'm a musician I've

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got uh most of my friends are musicians

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and certainly my career was in the music

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business so at one point everybody that

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I knew was a musician but I didn't talk

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about this stuff with them

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and as uh my my life moved on and I

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started uh my career in broadcasting my

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musician friends started to reach back

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out to me church I didn't know you were

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into this stuff let me tell you a story

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right and it just turns out that

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everybody and I think it has to do with

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creativity you know the open mind

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um and other things because you can take

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yourself into a meditative State when

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you're writing and practicing and

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Performing and that opens you up to

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things that normies don't necessarily

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um I've known of course about Jimmy

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Page's interest in the occult and David

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Bowie's interest in Aleister Crowley of

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course I mean there was a satanic panic

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in the 80s so that kind of opened up a

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lot of

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um sort of like the negative aspect of

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being open to those sorts of things

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um but I don't I don't know I think I've

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like I might have mentioned to you

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before that another film that I directed

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is called the second Age of Aquarius and

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it's about a rock star who joined the 27

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club in 1970 and he's kind of you know

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he became part of the ethos through his

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being electrocuted and kind of went into

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the atmosphere and I thought that was

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kind of an interesting thing to explore

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I do feel though that that being

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creative and musical is different maybe

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from being

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um a word person or a mathematic person

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because you're kind of open to muses I

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think more when you're doing music and

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kind of Freer and more open for those

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that don't know uh tell everybody what

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the 27 Club is

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um that is a club that most people don't

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want to be in but it started I think

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with that well it kind of really started

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with Robert Johnson the bluesman who was

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uh apparently or allegedly poisoned in

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uh in the 30s he was 27 years old and he

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has been sort of the Catalyst for the

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legend of the crossroads you know the

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going to the crossroads to sell your

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soul to the devil for musical talent and

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and people said that he was just

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inhumanly talented and that's how that

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happened so when he died at the age of

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27 it apparently set off this Chain

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Reaction uh for other extremely talented

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musicians to die at that age Brian Jones

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was one from the Rolling Stones Jimi

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Hendrix Janice Joplin Jim Morrison they

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all died within I believe within 10

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months of each other at the age of 27

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then

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um Amy Winehouse died at 27

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of course Kurt Cobain but some people

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say that he orchestrated that that he

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actually did want to be in the 27 Club

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so that's open to interpretation but it

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is interesting I've always found that

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certain

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years or dates kind of keep coming up

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again and again in my research

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especially since I've really been

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immersing myself in the rock and roll

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nightmares true stories books I found

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that December is a very unlucky month

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for musicians for whatever reason but

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and certain dates like December 3rd

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Buddy Holly died and Ricky Nelson died

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and they both you know died in plane

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crashes

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um Tommy Bolin who's maybe not very well

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known guitarist has been an extremely

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talented guitarist he died on a December

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3rd so did Scott Weiland

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um

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yeah Joe Meek who produced Telstar which

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murdered someone on December 3rd and

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then his rival Phil Spector

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also murdered Anna Clarkson on December

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3rd about first

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okay okay

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December 8th is another extremely kind

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of cursed date which

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can you hear me go ahead

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yeah you faded out there just for a

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second we're okay we're okay yes

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all right it's not December 3rd or 8th

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is it

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it is March 8th maybe there's something

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do that but uh yeah I mean December 8th

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that's the Jim Morrison's birthday but

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it's also the day that uh John Lennon

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was shot

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um Uriah heaps facist Gary Thane he OD'd

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on December 8th um so did uh Steve Clark

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Def Leppard's guitarist Panteras

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guitarists time bag Daryl was murdered

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on December the 8th uh you know Motley

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Cruz frontman Vince Neil he wrecked his

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car in 1984 and killed his passenger

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um Hanoi Rocks drummer uh Razzle dingley

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on December 8th and so I don't know if

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that's ever been a thing that's been

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brought to light but I really noticed

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these um dates coming up again and again

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as I was doing research so I thought

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that was very interesting and so I did

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make a note of it I haven't really drawn

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any conclusions but I do find it quite

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fascinating there's there's 300

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December 8th I I this is the first I've

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ever heard about it and uh I can't wait

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I'm sure the chat room is

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um and and others are going to make

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comments if you know of anything on

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those dates December 3rd or December 8th

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shoot me an email post it on social

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media I would love to hear more and yeah

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I'd like to know more too I mean uh yeah

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like I said it kind of just

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I started noticing this pattern coming

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up as I was doing the research and then

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I did a few searches to see well maybe

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this is a thing that other people have

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noticed but I couldn't find anything so

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I'd be curious to know yeah the the 27

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Club is is a very strange one uh for me

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and

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um when when I started to look at that

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over the years because we all talked

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about it in the 70s

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and you know me and my Young guitar

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playing buddies 13 14 15 years old where

401
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you

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about everything and that was one of the

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subjects that came up with the 27 club

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and then it just continued over the

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years and I've just been fascinated with

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that

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I'll tell you something I I want to

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bring this up really quick

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um uh you brought up Dave Grohl and uh

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the the the movie right 666 studio 666.

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um which I rather enjoyed but to turn

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around and uh right after that movie was

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uh done being filmed Taylor Hawkins dies

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yeah that was really

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um gosh yeah I mean that was a shock to

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everyone I think because he seemed to

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have gotten himself back together and

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yeah it just seemed like he had

419
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you know everything was going so well

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for him but yeah I just saw the movie

421
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Just shortly before he passed away so um

422
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yeah it was really like weird to think

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back at the death scene and also I

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believe that house is haunted right the

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house that they shot it in yeah in

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Encino and uh I lived in Sherman Oaks

427
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forever and that Community right there

428
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Encino Tarzana right Studio City uh

429
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Sherman Oaks

430
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um we call them by different names but

431
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it's just a tiny little area that you

432
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know it's just divided by streets as you

433
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know and uh as Cena encino's just a

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couple blocks away right from Sherman

435
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Oaks it's right up the street yeah but

436
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it does take about an hour to drive

437
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there yeah

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play traffic you can walk anywhere

439
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faster than you can drive in the valley

440
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um and it it is Hollywood has changed

441
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and so is Sherman Oaks like back in the

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day Sherman Oaks was a sleepy little

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especially when I first moved there and

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and Hollywood I watched it change too

445
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over the years and a couple of it was

446
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about a month ago

447
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I was uh exactly a month ago I went to

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the whiskey uh to go see a friend of

449
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mine's band and uh and so I'm standing

450
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on the corner at uh the whiskey Jordan

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Zips band hot crazy band it's a it's

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it's a really hot crazy band so I'm

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standing on the corner of the whiskey

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and I used to live on that corner of

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Clark and uh uh Sunset Boulevard

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and I'm looking up towards Gil Turner's

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and thinking to myself how different

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this is because from 1980 until 1990

459
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there was ten thousand people on that

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sidewalk

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you know how how packed it was and and

462
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what a different vibe it it is do you

463
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feel the music Vibe is is left Hollywood

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or is it still here

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um um I don't think it is really I mean

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there is one band that I really love

467
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called the Cox that is kind of a gay

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punk rock band and they're hilarious

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they write really funny lyrics very

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talented um but you know that's really

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the only band I can think of that's come

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up lately that I've really loved um I

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find that I've moved to Las Vegas

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um in the past three years ago I moved

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here and I find that the music scene is

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really moving here I'm seeing a lot of

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great bands coming up and also musicians

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that lived in Hollywood here and and

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starting bands and there's a great live

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music scene I do feel like it's changed

481
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quite a bit I do remember

482
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back in the 80s going to the rainbow and

483
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the whiskey and the Roxy and gazaris and

484
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you could see a great band any night of

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the week

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um you know go down to the Troubadour

487
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there'd be even more bands and it just

488
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seems less creative now or maybe it's

489
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just you know more harder to find venues

490
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to play in or people just aren't coming

491
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out like you said uh people it was very

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alive it was almost

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um new yorkish you know you could walk

494
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down the streets of Sunset Boulevard and

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you'd meet see people and you could

496
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people watch they'd be dressed to the

497
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nines but yeah now it's it's quite a

498
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:06,960
different story it's really people don't

499
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go out as much as they used to yeah it's

500
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empty and you're right about that I mean

501
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it was seven nights a week uh every Club

502
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there you know the whiskey the Roxy

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gazaris the Troubadour uh that area

504
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right there it was four or five bands a

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uh you know guns and roses and poison

506
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and and warrant

507
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um and a thousand other you know great

508
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bands that absolutely and Keel Ron Keel

509
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introduced us yeah yeah

510
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um yeah it's different I don't know

511
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maybe they're all on Tick Tock now

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[Laughter]

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well you know Ryan keel's a great

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example of that because Ron

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um who I met early on when I when I came

516
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to La I met him a long long time ago

517
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through a mutual friend of ours Gina

518
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zamparelli and she's no longer with us

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hello Gina if you're listening

520
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um and and Ron was a central part of of

521
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what was happening in in in the scene

522
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back then and so you know and Yngwie

523
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Malmsteen right as as a classic example

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of that and and Keel and stealer and and

525
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:28,799
in such great respect but the the

526
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um the image that he had we all just

527
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:34,740
looked up to Ron you know he may not

528
00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:37,500
even know it but let me tell you

529
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,900
something everybody respected Ron Keel

530
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,480
and he attracted the best musicians

531
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around him too in his bands anyway

532
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:49,500
that's what happened so years go by and

533
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Ron is listening to the radio and

534
00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:54,299
listening to me late at night and

535
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:55,500
reaches out

536
00:24:02,210 --> 00:23:59,460
and and he was like church I'm into this

537
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:02,220
conspiracy stuff man I'm into the

538
00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:04,500
Paranormal I'm into UFOs I'm into all of

539
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:07,980
this stuff I was like everybody is

540
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,960
um I mean how can you not find it

541
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:11,880
fascinating even if you're you know

542
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:14,580
maybe somewhat more skeptical or

543
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,280
practical you know I feel like I'm of

544
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,799
two minds on that uh kind of like Fox

545
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,320
Mulder I want to believe but I don't

546
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,720
know if I you know if I do but there

547
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,220
have been you know like I said some

548
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,159
undeniable experiences of course with um

549
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:31,320
my dad's ghost but also you know

550
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,000
throughout the years I used to work as

551
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:35,220
an entertainment reporter and I worked

552
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:37,260
for the Sci-Fi channel

553
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,419
um as a red carpet reporter and I would

554
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,179
go to set visits and of course we

555
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,400
um did set visits in some sort of

556
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:46,679
haunted places one of the most

557
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:50,400
interesting uh structures was the Linda

558
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:53,220
Vista Hospital in uh Boyle Heights which

559
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,080
I'm sure you've seen and been to and I

560
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,880
have been there many times and there

561
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,520
were some strange things happening I did

562
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:02,159
um quite a few set visits there but uh

563
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:04,620
it would often be that you're uh

564
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:06,600
recorded interviews with the talent

565
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,720
would be mysteriously erased or garbled

566
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:11,940
when you got home to transcribe them I

567
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,980
mean it was it was eerie and there was

568
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,080
definitely a feel to that place but it's

569
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,080
also just like a beautiful

570
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:20,220
Masterpiece of

571
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:22,500
filthy history you know I don't know if

572
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,380
you were there like when it was kind of

573
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,840
very run down a lot of broken glass all

574
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:30,059
over the floor and just graffiti

575
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,500
everywhere and that boiler room

576
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:34,799
downstairs where they shot some of um a

577
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,419
Nightmare on Elm Street with Freddy

578
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:38,520
Krueger's boiler room but there's also

579
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:40,980
been some really cool music video shot

580
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,380
there I mean we'll bring back Dave Grohl

581
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,299
with Foo Fighters best of you was shot

582
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,760
there and then Duran Duran videos and

583
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:50,400
yes there's a lot of really great

584
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,480
um

585
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:54,059
kind of haunted areas that you can't

586
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:55,620
deny there's something there there's

587
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,159
some kind of residuers yeah let me stop

588
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:01,500
you right there that is the most haunted

589
00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:04,260
place in Los Angeles maybe the world

590
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,220
that is a creepy you just look at it and

591
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,279
you know that you shouldn't go in there

592
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:14,159
um we went in there quite a few

593
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:16,260
got a certain

594
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:19,500
to it you know it it it it's it's great

595
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:22,860
architecture it's it's it's uh you know

596
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:25,799
and it's a period type of architecture

597
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:28,860
that that you know says Los Angeles for

598
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:31,080
sure yeah what

599
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:33,480
it's haunted I mean there's no question

600
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,559
about it I I when uh do you feel like

601
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:40,020
when you walk in there do you do you

602
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,419
feel a presence

603
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,840
no honestly I must be like just have

604
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,059
blinders on or something because I have

605
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,679
a friend I went to New Orleans with a

606
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,659
friend of mine who's very sensitive to

607
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:53,400
these things and

608
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:55,559
um we went to of course New Orleans as

609
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,299
one of the most haunted cities in the

610
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,220
world and we would go to places and

611
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:01,380
she'd say oh I feel so

612
00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:04,140
Eerie there's something here or she'd

613
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,360
feel like a warm embrace like oh there's

614
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:08,640
benevolent Spirits here and I'd be like

615
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,159
I I don't feel it so so I guess that's

616
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:13,440
good I don't get woken up by a ghost in

617
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:14,820
the middle of the night or anything like

618
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:22,130
um there are there there are certain

619
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:24,779
places that uh you know I've got a ghost

620
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,760
okay I've got a ghost here and I just I

621
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,640
I oh I think I have I made peace I'm not

622
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,500
here to aggravate and I'm not here to

623
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:36,840
get scared but I don't want to elevate

624
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,320
things but there are certain things that

625
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,000
I just won't do when it comes to ghosts

626
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:44,520
and I don't want to be scared you know I

627
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:46,919
don't want to act like I'm a chicken or

628
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:50,820
or give that impression but I'm not

629
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,980
going to go into certain places I'm not

630
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,779
going to go into a haunted jail I'm not

631
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,220
going to do it alone

632
00:28:02,690 --> 00:27:59,820
a a certain you know a house or

633
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:02,700
something that that you know what I mean

634
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,220
I just don't I I just don't do that I'll

635
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:08,640
do it with friends but I'm not going to

636
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,059
to to wander these places by myself okay

637
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:13,919
well I did that at Linda Vista and I'm

638
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,470
Hollywood apartment one of those old you

639
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,360
know 1920s Hollywood apartments she she

640
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:26,460
would she was sick a lot and she had a

641
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:28,020
lot of problems and she thought well

642
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,120
maybe my place has got black mold or

643
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:32,220
something and apparently like someone

644
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,900
came in and said oh no you have this

645
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:35,640
malevolent Spirit living here and he

646
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:38,220
lives in your closet and in your bedroom

647
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:40,140
I'm like man that must suck like

648
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,059
bringing home dates as the ghosts like

649
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,520
perving on you or I don't know I'd be

650
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:46,679
like I no I don't

651
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,220
know announced is watching me do things

652
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:49,760
[Laughter]

653
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,580
so a friend of mine let's go back to the

654
00:28:59,049 --> 00:28:55,320
strip for a second his name is Paul

655
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,059
diames and he is a hair

656
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:01,200
hair stylist

657
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:04,380
and an artist and incredible and so he

658
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,500
cut he did white snake's hair right he

659
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,539
was responsible for all these ones David

660
00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:11,400
Coverdale just cut his hair did you see

661
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:18,350
he caved he tapped out he finally tapped

662
00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:19,380
out

663
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:21,320
um he looks pretty good though

664
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:25,200
totally different I mean did he change I

665
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,779
mean he just looked yeah he looked

666
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:29,760
distinguished and grown up all of a

667
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:33,960
sudden anyway so Paul diamas buys

668
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,860
um Marilyn Monroe's old condo in in

669
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:38,880
Hollywood

670
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:42,539
on the corner of Doheny and sunset it's

671
00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:44,700
a nice place right so and I used to stay

672
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:45,980
there all the time

673
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,340
and uh he had the it was massive wooden

674
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:52,620
floors and

675
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,360
um his bedroom was upstairs I would

676
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:56,940
always crash on his couch after a late

677
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:57,720
night

678
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,860
and one morning he comes down I go dude

679
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:04,320
who was here last night he goes Nobody

680
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:05,580
just me and you

681
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:07,020
I could

682
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,179
do you wear high heels

683
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:12,480
oh that's that's the ghost of Marilyn

684
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:16,260
Monroe I go what I didn't I had no idea

685
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:17,940
he goes no this is Marilyn Monroe's old

686
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:21,240
place and I didn't know

687
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:22,980
um it was kind of mentioned to me when I

688
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,559
bought it but the Hollywood Tours you

689
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:28,080
know the buses right would stop by in

690
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:29,580
front and everybody would be taking

691
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:32,340
pictures and I'd be out on the patio and

692
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:34,020
I would wave and then finally somebody

693
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:35,880
said you know that's Marilyn Monroe's

694
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:39,960
old place that you bought oh really so

695
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,559
anyway he yeah well she makes the rounds

696
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,899
because apparently she also haunts the

697
00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:47,520
Roosevelt Hotel

698
00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:50,580
and um yeah I interviewed actually Ed

699
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:52,919
and Lorraine Moore in there for a film

700
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,340
that they were um Consultants on and we

701
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:58,260
did the interview in the Marilyn Monroe

702
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:00,840
Suite where apparently she hangs out so

703
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,720
she's she's a mobile ghost anything

704
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:05,820
happen when we were there

705
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:09,000
uh no no that didn't but um but like I

706
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,860
said it was kind of eerie though that at

707
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:13,020
the any interview that I ever did at the

708
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:15,380
Linda Vista was always

709
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:17,940
mysteriously garbled or you it just you

710
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,380
never recall you didn't record anything

711
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,020
at all so that was kind of weird yeah

712
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,960
most of my ghost hunting friends

713
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,120
um you know guests on the show they they

714
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,640
talk about that a lot batteries get

715
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,679
interfered with the video gets

716
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,299
interfered with the audio gets

717
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:35,220
interfered with and it's just something

718
00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:37,620
that they have to you know deal with it

719
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,179
just goes with the territory it goes

720
00:31:42,769 --> 00:31:41,340
with the job of ghost hunting that that

721
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:42,779
stuff is going to happen so if you're

722
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:44,279
going to win the Vista or something like

723
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,620
that I could yeah I could see that yeah

724
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:48,240
it's not so good when you're a reporter

725
00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:49,740
though trying to remember what people

726
00:32:02,269 --> 00:31:59,029
did you get a chance uh uh with Jimmy

727
00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:02,279
Page to to get off the subject of the

728
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:05,159
ventures and and and and discuss uh

729
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,600
anything paranormal

730
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,700
no you know I don't think he really

731
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,679
wants to talk about Aleister Crowley

732
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:13,679
anymore he's kind of over it but um no I

733
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,779
didn't but uh but it was interesting

734
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:17,640
though to do some more research on him

735
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,559
for the for the books

736
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:21,360
um and to kind of you know he bought the

737
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:23,820
Equinox bookstore and he ran that for a

738
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:25,260
while and

739
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,700
um there was of course like the

740
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:28,380
backwards masking with Stairway to

741
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,320
Heaven the big um to do over that in the

742
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:34,080
80s I believe and so yeah I think it

743
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,840
kind of burned him out on his enthusiasm

744
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,820
for the Paranormal to talk to anyone

745
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:41,100
about that sort of thing but um so I did

746
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:42,659
interview him about the ventures and

747
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,340
then also for

748
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:47,039
um his Film It Might Get Loud with my

749
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,740
other favorite guitarist Jack White so

750
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,779
that was really quite a wonderful day

751
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,480
for me that was uh that was Guggenheim

752
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:56,640
right yeah yeah I interviewed Davis

753
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,580
Guggenheim as well yeah yeah yeah he's

754
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:01,919
pretty cool dude I know yeah absolutely

755
00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:04,020
he's a good guy

756
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:06,419
um the uh let me let me back up for a

757
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:10,679
second I was just going to

758
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,580
uh uh I had a Jimmy Page comment oh oh

759
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:17,220
um uh yeah that the Aleister Crowley

760
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:23,930
um the baleskin house yeah yeah well

761
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:25,799
it's burnt down twice

762
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:27,299
um it burnt down a long time ago and

763
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:28,860
then it burnt down again I believe in

764
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:31,559
2014 but it's being rebuilt by an

765
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:34,740
Aleister Crowley uh acolyte who's

766
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,640
wanting to turn it into a museum now the

767
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,559
um oh oh this is what I was gonna say so

768
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,539
Jimmy Page said

769
00:33:47,649 --> 00:33:44,820
um it's a great interview but it was

770
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:47,659
this little clip he said so you know

771
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,820
when this backward basking thing came up

772
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,519
and and with Led Zeppelin I just stopped

773
00:33:59,169 --> 00:33:55,919
and said gotta understand it's hard

774
00:34:02,169 --> 00:33:59,179
enough to write songs forward

775
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:02,179
yeah I think that's brilliant

776
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,640
One Direction let alone two right yeah

777
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,500
yeah yeah I like the way he blew that

778
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,320
off and it made a lot of sense

779
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,440
um but the uh the aspects of this when

780
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,359
we look at you know bands like you know

781
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:17,639
Black Sabbath or Judas Priest or you

782
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:20,280
know even Led Zeppelin and these

783
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:24,240
connections to the the satanic Panic

784
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,280
um it was it was a lot of frustration

785
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,800
put on musicians that weren't asking for

786
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:30,960
it right oh

787
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,379
there was the um the the case against

788
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,200
Judas Priest for the supposed backward

789
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:40,020
masking of um that are by you better

790
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:41,879
than me which isn't even written by them

791
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,800
it was written by Gary Wright of

792
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:45,780
Dreamweaver fame

793
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:47,700
um so that song ironically that they

794
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,619
covered and they didn't really even want

795
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:51,480
to cover it was kind of an afterthought

796
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:53,159
for that album and they put it on there

797
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,780
and then they kind of ran into this

798
00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:56,220
whole

799
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:57,260
um

800
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:00,420
entanglement they had to go to court in

801
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,080
Nevada uh you know against they were

802
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:06,780
sued by the parents of two young men who

803
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:08,339
shot themselves in the face after

804
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,000
listening to that song on Loop

805
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:13,920
um stained class though was the album

806
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,480
and they listened to that and then they

807
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:16,800
went and shot themselves there's

808
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,140
actually an interesting PBS documentary

809
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,880
that you can find on YouTube and you can

810
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:22,920
watch the whole thing

811
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:25,560
um but yeah it was really something that

812
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,440
they didn't ask for they weren't looking

813
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,720
for it they didn't want it to happen and

814
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,000
you know they weren't really recording

815
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:35,940
any kind of controversy and that that

816
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,460
was a kind of a

817
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,680
unfortunate thing that happened but the

818
00:35:44,589 --> 00:35:42,660
court the court did eventually throw

819
00:35:49,329 --> 00:35:44,599
that case out and there were quite a few

820
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:49,339
cases around that time I mean um

821
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:52,440
we had you know he had Tipper Gore and

822
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,359
the labeling and and all of that stuff

823
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:55,920
that was happening

824
00:36:03,530 --> 00:35:59,160
um I talked to Rob Halford uh at length

825
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:03,540
about this and he said excuse me

826
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:05,300
he had said

827
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:08,520
that that was one of the most traumatic

828
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,859
things he had ever been through in his

829
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,020
life to go into court because you had

830
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,260
these two you know young boys young men

831
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,200
you know kill themselves and that's

832
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,560
tragic enough right there and to listen

833
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,380
to the details of this and And the

834
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:26,940
emotions from the family and the way

835
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,440
that they try to project it and then put

836
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:30,240
it back on and he had to sit through

837
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,339
this day he showed up in court he was in

838
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:33,839
court for all yeah

839
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:37,200
yeah and KK Downing too yeah yeah and

840
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,480
stuff out in this book I mean it was

841
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:42,060
awful because the young man who

842
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,220
eventually succumbed to his injuries he

843
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,560
was he lived for a few years with a

844
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,200
horribly disfigured face and you know he

845
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:51,599
had to have wear a baby bib because his

846
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,180
mouth was so disfigured that he couldn't

847
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,640
you know he was drooling constantly it

848
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,380
was just like he could barely speak and

849
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:00,180
it was a horrible thing to have to

850
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:02,760
witness someone you know

851
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:04,980
that that happened to after listening to

852
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:06,599
their music I'm sure they had to feel

853
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,260
terrible about it but thankfully the

854
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:13,440
courts did see things properly and you

855
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:15,380
know how

856
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:19,020
bored do you have to be to listen to

857
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:22,920
music backwards I don't know or how

858
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,700
Stone do you have to be yes

859
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,880
Tipper Gore stoned no

860
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,800
right but but that but the thing was

861
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,900
that the the two young men

862
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:35,280
young men cells they were not listening

863
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:37,320
to the music backward

864
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,240
a word masking when he played it forward

865
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:41,940
it said do it do it do it which doesn't

866
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,760
even say to shoot yourself but uh do you

867
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:46,800
remember the manager um I can't remember

868
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,540
his name but making a comment like hey

869
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,640
if we were gonna put hidden messages in

870
00:37:55,089 --> 00:37:52,880
the music we'd say hey buy seven copies

871
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,099
not kill yourself

872
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,020
I used to listen to that stuff

873
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:01,500
um there was a a trend of this I'm not

874
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:05,339
gonna go deep into this but there was a

875
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:09,720
trend with this um in the 90s and uh not

876
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:12,960
only in the musics but also outside of

877
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:15,420
of that too as well in in ghost in the

878
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,260
Paranormal and things and I never I

879
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,180
could never hear it

880
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:23,880
I could imagine it right you know what I

881
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:26,520
mean I could I could I could okay all

882
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:29,160
right kind of but no it it it it it

883
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,460
never sounded like what they said you

884
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,400
know with the power of suggestion that

885
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:37,200
that's what it was but I no I never

886
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:40,920
heard it even in even in uh uh the Judas

887
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:43,500
Priest that do it I no no I didn't hear

888
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:44,940
that one at all I mean you could kind of

889
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,880
hear my sweet Satan in The Stairway to

890
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:50,339
Heaven backwards but only if you were

891
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:52,380
really like straining to and hoping to

892
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:55,980
hear that I mean smoking weed yeah this

893
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,510
um now uh the other thing that I want to

894
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:05,280
get uh get to before the break is that

895
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:08,220
uh to write

896
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:12,140
um uh everybody has

897
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,140
uh a Pandora's Box thought of getting

898
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,000
stuck into a nightmare that you can't

899
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:21,680
get out of right and and and and and

900
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,260
that aspect of the ultimate thing that

901
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:28,380
scares you but you right you are able to

902
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,329
where do you get it where does it come

903
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:36,480
from

904
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:39,660
well well I started off writing fiction

905
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,660
horror and also I've always really been

906
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,700
into horror films um so that was

907
00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:46,859
something that I've just the genre I've

908
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:48,599
always been drawn to but I I think it's

909
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:52,740
more the psychological aspect than the

910
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,880
actual Gore of it um I want to know why

911
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:58,560
people do the things they do and that's

912
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:00,599
really what draws me to True Crime is

913
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:03,540
the psychological aspect and what brings

914
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:06,060
people to the things that they do

915
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,560
um so that to me is

916
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,079
you know the psychology of it is what

917
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,780
really draws me do you

918
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,079
um uh there's there's a comparison here

919
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:18,480
to Tropic Thunder believe it or not okay

920
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:21,839
now I'm going to type great film

921
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,180
I just watched it I just watched it last

922
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,000
week and uh the there's a director's cut

923
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:29,040
out

924
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:33,660
yeah I I it's pretty good yeah the party

925
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,119
scene that yeah that's fully extended

926
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:39,599
yeah I mean I it's long you know and uh

927
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:41,339
well anyway

928
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:43,800
um but that scene uh

929
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,520
uh never never never go all in you never

930
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:50,640
go all in right yes you're paraphrasing

931
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:55,619
there but I won't say the words but but

932
00:41:02,450 --> 00:40:58,740
um but that's I I always thought about

933
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:02,460
with horror writing and and that type of

934
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:04,500
thing that you have to get into the

935
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:07,260
character you have to develop the mind

936
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,260
you have to deliver that

937
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:12,420
is there danger in that did you ever

938
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,040
think about how far uh to go

939
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:20,280
um no I don't write extreme horror

940
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:24,260
um but I do I love to kind of look into

941
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,560
kind of the the Black Mirror if you will

942
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,420
um some of the rock and roll nightmares

943
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,060
books are fictional so it's really fun

944
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,760
to kind of put yourself into that

945
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:38,460
mindset of the rock stars world and the

946
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,099
dark arts that go with it

947
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:44,460
um so it's fun to dip into that but you

948
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:47,099
know like I say on my Twitter profile

949
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,800
not a serial killer despite my search

950
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,440
history

951
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:54,480
so yeah I think if anything it makes you

952
00:42:02,569 --> 00:41:59,520
you know kind of uh go the other way so

953
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,579
um you know what I do is that I give

954
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:05,280
money to charity for anyone who buys uh

955
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,079
rock and roll nightmares books a portion

956
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,660
of the proceeds goes to charity the

957
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:12,240
sweet relief musicians fun so I feel

958
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:14,099
like I'm kind of keeping my karmic

959
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,200
checks and balances in order by doing

960
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:18,780
doing that yeah I've often thought about

961
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,890
I but um

962
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:27,240
bring kind of my

963
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:30,300
kind of sensibility to it so

964
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,220
um for instance I got a really nice

965
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,260
compliment the other day from a reader

966
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,060
who said that the rock and roll

967
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:38,700
nightmares true stories that I bring a

968
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:41,940
woman's perspective to it and so I also

969
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,980
bring sort of the the victim's

970
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:45,960
perspective to it and not just

971
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:49,980
exploiting the crimes or the evil Deeds

972
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,099
yeah and I'll tell you this is my

973
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:55,680
Pandora's Box this is my nightmare this

974
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,500
is my rock and roll nightmare is

975
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,200
if anything tragically happens

976
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:03,680
right to me

977
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:07,260
what are they going to see when they

978
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:08,940
kick down the front door

979
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:11,160
right what what are they going to see so

980
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:14,339
am I going to be clothed or am I going

981
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:18,380
to have a bowl of Captain Crunch

982
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,079
in my boxers what's the last thing

983
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,480
that's going to be on the TV what is

984
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,400
going to be out and what is my search

985
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:28,920
history on the computer right yeah

986
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,119
exactly right what is it that you know

987
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:35,579
yeah yeah yeah I mean there's that that

988
00:43:41,290 --> 00:43:38,460
uh you know funny medical bracelet that

989
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,300
says delete my browser history

990
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:44,400
first yeah right

991
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:47,579
um yeah I don't know but you know

992
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,060
the fascination with True Crime and with

993
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,280
terrible things happening is certainly

994
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,040
nothing new it's just um come to the

995
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:57,599
internet now but you know when you think

996
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,140
about the Lions and the Christians you

997
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:04,440
know the the Romans watching people you

998
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:07,380
die or the the Salem Witch Trials where

999
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,140
there would be massive crowds to watch

1000
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,420
The Witches be burned I mean my goodness

1001
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,880
that's that's far more hardcore than

1002
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:16,740
what we're doing writing or reading True

1003
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,800
Crime uh I want to go back to Kurt

1004
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:21,359
Cobain if I could

1005
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:25,980
um uh that uh his death and and how it

1006
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,740
happened and how his body was found all

1007
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,660
of that

1008
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,420
um I think left the door open to a lot

1009
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:35,099
of questions very difficult to answer

1010
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:37,140
right no Witnesses nothing like that

1011
00:44:40,089 --> 00:44:38,819
definitely yeah there's some really

1012
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,099
strange

1013
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,140
questions around that can we can we talk

1014
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:45,000
about that are you comfortable

1015
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:47,400
oh I'm not an expert on it

1016
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,220
um I I'm I'm not sure how I feel about

1017
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,740
you know the whole Courtney conspiracy

1018
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:55,200
theory part of it

1019
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,300
um I don't know I mean I kind of am

1020
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:00,540
leaning more toward the fact that or the

1021
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,579
belief that he did commit suicide that's

1022
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:04,140
what I'm thinking

1023
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,260
how and why

1024
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,599
um well because he was a drug addict

1025
00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:12,000
that and I do call them mind altering

1026
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,339
substances for a reason you may do

1027
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:16,400
things that you wouldn't

1028
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,980
ordinarily do really depression can put

1029
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,200
people in a horrible mindset I mean I

1030
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:23,520
think about

1031
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:26,040
um Robin Williams who's another person

1032
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,020
that I interviewed multiple times always

1033
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:30,900
seemed so bright and on and really

1034
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,300
connected and how could he kill himself

1035
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:35,700
he had children you know I mean there's

1036
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,339
so many things to live for but

1037
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,800
depression really makes people believe

1038
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:42,839
that they're doing their loved ones a

1039
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:45,180
favor by taking themselves out of the

1040
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:48,540
equation it's such a

1041
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,380
um

1042
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,839
it's unrelatable to me I can't imagine

1043
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:54,480
being in that sort of mindset but um

1044
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,760
depression really does chemically alter

1045
00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:58,380
your brain and it makes you think things

1046
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:02,040
that are not true your mind lies to you

1047
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,880
yeah that's true and and then when I put

1048
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:08,400
myself in the mind of

1049
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,640
of the way that that the situation that

1050
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,460
you you've got a a newborn child

1051
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:17,160
you are changing rock and roll and world

1052
00:46:22,329 --> 00:46:20,099
history you're admired you're certainly

1053
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,339
not worrying about money anymore

1054
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:25,440
what is it you know there's something

1055
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,859
else going on there and that's the part

1056
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:31,020
that you know it opens up the the

1057
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,000
conspiracy theories you know behind

1058
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:36,060
something like that and I've never I've

1059
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:38,220
never quite resolved it I mean how

1060
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:41,579
tragic you know and and suicide is it's

1061
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,800
you know that's something else that is

1062
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:46,319
is is talking to you and unless you're

1063
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:48,839
going through it we don't we don't know

1064
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:51,420
what that is I do not suffer from

1065
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,339
depression so I can't possibly

1066
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:55,800
understand what that feels like but I

1067
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,920
try to understand through research and

1068
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:00,900
talking to people that have been

1069
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,400
depressed and certainly uh psychologist

1070
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,839
psychiatrist I try to learn all that I

1071
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:09,359
can about it but you know my grandfather

1072
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,119
my dad's dad committed suicide he killed

1073
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:14,160
himself um my mom's brother killed

1074
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,300
himself self he shot himself he was sick

1075
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,480
you know he was terminally ill so you

1076
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,160
know there are various reasons why

1077
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:24,720
people do these things

1078
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,819
um some thing that I've never considered

1079
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:28,800
never thought about but I try to be

1080
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,560
sympathetic and try to understand the

1081
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,200
mindset but yeah it's really quite

1082
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,420
um quite sad you know when you think

1083
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:39,119
about it well because the mind you know

1084
00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:40,920
telling you that oh well you know that

1085
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:42,660
your people are better off without you

1086
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:45,480
you might as well just check out

1087
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:50,700
and Chris Cornell yeah Chris Cornell and

1088
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,960
you know I I toured with the guy for the

1089
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:56,880
better part of a year a little over a

1090
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:00,900
year and like to think that you know I

1091
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,480
knew him and what a cool guy and a great

1092
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:05,520
singer and a great talent but the way

1093
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:08,880
that he did it that was bizarre he just

1094
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,540
he just finished a show I mean yeah

1095
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,480
right yeah that was really odd I I don't

1096
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,940
know and then sometimes there's

1097
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,160
some

1098
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:23,460
um possibilities like if you think about

1099
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,240
um

1100
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:26,579
Michael Hutchins you know is that

1101
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:28,859
auto-erotic asphyxiation did he really

1102
00:48:34,609 --> 00:48:31,500
mean to kill himself but he also you

1103
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,619
know had a lot of uh problems after he

1104
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:37,680
was in a very bad accident

1105
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:40,680
um a taxi driver apparently you know hit

1106
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:42,300
him in the head and he fell and he hit

1107
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:44,040
his head on the cement he was never the

1108
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,480
same after that

1109
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:48,000
um he had a traumatic brain injury so

1110
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,920
that might have led him to suicide

1111
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,660
um Janie Lane

1112
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,880
right yeah I mean that was a very

1113
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,040
strange case where

1114
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,740
um a note was found in his pocket you

1115
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,960
know I am Janie Lane with his I think it

1116
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:05,400
was his phone number or something on

1117
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:07,980
there but apparently friends would

1118
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,099
sometimes put because he I think he lost

1119
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:12,960
his ID or something like that he didn't

1120
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,819
have a driver's license so just in case

1121
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:16,680
something happened you know friends

1122
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:19,800
would try to put some kind of ID on him

1123
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:22,140
in case he was wound up in jail or he

1124
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:23,940
passed out and didn't know where he was

1125
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:26,339
but yeah there's just some a lot of

1126
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,740
really

1127
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:30,480
bizarre stories that you know maybe you

1128
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:32,819
and I can't personally relate to but try

1129
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:36,260
to understand and be sympathetic of

1130
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,619
you have to and Hollywood Hollywood is

1131
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:44,160
never short of stories like this

1132
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:46,560
at the Boulevard of Broken Dreams for

1133
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:47,460
nothing

1134
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:49,640
I mean the

1135
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,339
uh the great Parts about Hollywood and

1136
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:55,740
and there there are many and I love it

1137
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,060
I'm just talking about you know the

1138
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:00,720
lifestyle and the fun and careers and

1139
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,319
and dreams and and so many uh come here

1140
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:06,660
for different reasons maybe you want to

1141
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:07,800
be an actor maybe you want to be a

1142
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:08,940
director maybe you want to be a

1143
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:10,380
screenwriter maybe you want to be a

1144
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,260
costume designer whatever it is yeah you

1145
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:15,420
have the music business and radio and

1146
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:17,460
television and and all of those things

1147
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:21,480
so it's a very exciting place but you

1148
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,020
can tell that there is there's some

1149
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:27,599
forces that run in the background there

1150
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,460
too as well and I think it's nearly

1151
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,920
tangible don't you

1152
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:33,780
oh I'm sorry I don't quite understand

1153
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:37,140
the question the the

1154
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:38,579
um

1155
00:50:45,069 --> 00:50:43,440
there is uh okay then I'm gonna go a

1156
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:45,079
little more direct

1157
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:49,980
there there are stories that you hear

1158
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,859
um in Hollywood about making deals and

1159
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:55,200
you mentioned Robert Johnson earlier I'm

1160
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:56,940
not necessarily talking about the devil

1161
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:00,300
but that you there are certain uh

1162
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:03,960
avenues that you don't go down and you

1163
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,960
don't nothing don't make a deal with

1164
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:08,819
that person or don't do anything over

1165
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,460
here and you hear these stories you know

1166
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:13,200
and you know that this kind of stuff is

1167
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:14,819
running in the background and then you

1168
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,339
hear about the tragedy from people that

1169
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:19,200
go through depression because they

1170
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:20,760
probably

1171
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,059
made bad decisions yeah well I mean

1172
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,160
um there's been women who have

1173
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:28,319
compromised themselves throughout the

1174
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:31,980
years uh Casting Couch you know from the

1175
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,460
20s till the present you know uh maybe

1176
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,500
doing something or even men I shouldn't

1177
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:39,480
just limit it to women but you know it's

1178
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:40,380
more

1179
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:43,800
uh female Centric where you know oh you

1180
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,260
sleep with me and I'll give you a role

1181
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:48,180
and you know one thing leads to another

1182
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:49,940
and it may seem like something

1183
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:52,920
negligible at first but um you know

1184
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:54,900
compromising your principles again and

1185
00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:57,300
again and again can really be

1186
00:52:02,870 --> 00:51:59,579
um detrimental to one's peace of mind

1187
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:02,880
and mental health yeah that's that's why

1188
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:04,859
that's what I was talking about right

1189
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:07,920
there okay so yeah you you got to the

1190
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,640
question because I I you know I I dealt

1191
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,680
with it I never

1192
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:16,619
um I never you know I I never got

1193
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,319
involved and but I would hear things I

1194
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:21,900
would hear things and it was like no

1195
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:24,900
that can't be real and then the next

1196
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:29,000
thing you know wow it it was like

1197
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,280
it's a trip man the music industry is a

1198
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,740
trip the film industry's a trip

1199
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:37,200
um you can you can run clean and you can

1200
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:40,500
do that no no issues but if you go if

1201
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:42,300
you if you just make a wrong turn

1202
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:44,819
somewhere you've got the Black Dahlia

1203
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,119
right right exactly or you think about

1204
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:50,579
um Lana Clarkson you know though who was

1205
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:54,059
killed by Phil Spector she was trying to

1206
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,280
make it for years and years and she

1207
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,619
almost made it several times and then

1208
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:00,480
she wound up being a hostess at the

1209
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,540
House of Blues and the you know her boss

1210
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,400
told her well you gotta treat Phil

1211
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,440
Spector like gold you know to give him

1212
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:09,119
whatever he wants and you know who knows

1213
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:10,980
maybe she thought well maybe maybe he

1214
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:12,599
can help me do something and that's why

1215
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,280
she got in the back of that limo with

1216
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:16,680
him and went to his house and you know

1217
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:18,420
it's just a horrible thing that happened

1218
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,099
to her and just it's it's really sad and

1219
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:25,680
never should have happened yeah it's so

1220
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,099
sad I remember uh going back somebody

1221
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:32,400
sent me at the time stamp of of her and

1222
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,720
Scarface right yeah she's an extra right

1223
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,839
but she's dancing on you know there's a

1224
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:41,940
scene where they're at the club the

1225
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,660
Copacabana or whatever it is and uh and

1226
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:48,240
there she is you know and and I've

1227
00:53:52,569 --> 00:53:50,040
watched a few clips of things that she

1228
00:53:56,589 --> 00:53:52,579
had done over the years

1229
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,599
times yeah yeah and

1230
00:54:02,510 --> 00:53:59,760
House of Blues and the next thing you

1231
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:02,520
know yeah it's just crazy Hollywood is

1232
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,400
just all right um we need to take a

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00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:07,680
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her new documentary you've got to check

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1302
00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:13,800
take you out of your wheelhouse now uh

1303
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:17,960
for this next segment so yeah

1304
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:21,240
and and and I'm going to tell you why um

1305
00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:24,420
oh first let me just say this everybody

1306
00:57:31,569 --> 00:57:28,500
um I am constantly searching for music

1307
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,579
documentaries I want that man and I I I

1308
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,319
watch everything from the 70s if I can

1309
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,599
find it right and everything and new and

1310
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,760
current that is coming out and when I

1311
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:40,740
found the ventures documentary

1312
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:43,020
um this is before you and I met and I

1313
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:46,940
was like man this is this is awesome and

1314
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:50,339
for me it wasn't

1315
00:57:55,930 --> 00:57:54,420
um it wasn't the stuff on the top it

1316
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:55,940
wasn't the fluff

1317
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,660
really got into things and I I really

1318
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,640
appreciated uh the way that you

1319
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:04,859
approached that documentary it was a

1320
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,079
very detailed and I I just wanted to

1321
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,839
yeah yeah well shot too as well well

1322
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,339
shot

1323
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:13,380
um great interviews so everybody I

1324
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,720
highly recommend it to it's a great

1325
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:17,280
documentary but now I'm going to take

1326
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:18,839
you out of your wheelhouse I want to

1327
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:22,440
talk about aliens and UFOs oh wow okay

1328
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,980
we'll see yeah no no no no no no no no I

1329
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:27,960
I want your opinions on a few things

1330
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:31,140
okay because in um I want your

1331
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,200
perspective okay

1332
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:36,559
um and your opinions

1333
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,319
the uh the world of uh Alien contact and

1334
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:46,319
and what may be visiting our planet and

1335
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:48,119
I think that we are being visited but

1336
00:58:55,849 --> 00:58:51,000
that's that's my opinion but

1337
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:55,859
um our community uh for decades has been

1338
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,680
when I say our I really mean this you

1339
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,480
know our community and it's a big one

1340
00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:03,359
has always been ridiculed and teased and

1341
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,319
tinfoil hat and and made fun of uh not

1342
00:59:12,289 --> 00:59:09,540
only by Washington DC the Department of

1343
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:12,299
Defense but just just Society in general

1344
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:16,559
right and and that has changed and in

1345
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,119
the last uh four years five years since

1346
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:23,280
the New York Times came out with this

1347
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,619
front page article about the Pentagon

1348
00:59:31,250 --> 00:59:28,440
having a secret UFO program and then

1349
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,260
these videos came out now we have

1350
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,260
legislation that is happening in

1351
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:36,599
Washington DC that has been passed we

1352
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,059
have the Department of Defense has got a

1353
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,880
UFO uh task force put together and

1354
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,680
reports have been written and delivered

1355
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:46,680
to Congress it's on Fox News and Tucker

1356
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:48,299
Carlson and CNN every night they're

1357
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:51,480
talking about UFOs and ETS and alien

1358
00:59:57,490 --> 00:59:54,839
contact this is the question our

1359
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:57,500
community is aware of all of this

1360
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:01,500
have you noticed this conversation in

1361
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:05,520
the media in Washington DC about UFOs or

1362
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:08,099
is it just because we're a part of the

1363
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,109
um that's a good question I feel like uh

1364
01:00:20,329 --> 01:00:17,760
you know like every a person probably

1365
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,339
goes through a period of fascination

1366
01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:23,280
with UFOs I certainly did uh when

1367
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,559
Whitley streber's books came out you

1368
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,359
know I read all of them and I was

1369
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,760
fascinated by them and then you know

1370
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:31,680
kind of moved on to other subjects but

1371
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:35,420
yeah I have noticed uh more legitimate

1372
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:39,599
uh news stories recently but have not

1373
01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:42,660
delved into beyond the surface but yeah

1374
01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:44,579
it seems like it's more

1375
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:52,730
are you surprised by that in that uh and

1376
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,540
Whitley's been a guest on this show he's

1377
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:57,119
one of my close friends and uh I love

1378
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:59,160
Whitley to death he lives in uh you know

1379
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,319
he lives here in L.A

1380
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:03,839
um and and you're right communion did a

1381
01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:05,460
lot that was a huge that was a big

1382
01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:07,220
selling book yeah

1383
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:10,200
everybody read that book it was

1384
01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:12,299
terrifying it just like it was really

1385
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:13,859
scary I remember that was one of the

1386
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:16,140
books you know that scared me more than

1387
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:19,920
uh any Stephen King book that I read

1388
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:23,819
that I I I I went through a period

1389
01:01:31,329 --> 01:01:25,799
um when I first got that book in the 80s

1390
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:34,750
that those eyes would follow me around

1391
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,750
sort of a broad spectrum like like human

1392
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:49,680
beings I mean what's kind of this

1393
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,160
consensus now and well that's that's the

1394
01:02:00,289 --> 01:01:55,760
question I'm going to ask you

1395
01:02:03,049 --> 01:02:00,299
well in a world view uh where the world

1396
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:03,059
is suddenly you know facing this stuff

1397
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,920
because it's in the news now and the

1398
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,440
United States is in the Congress and in

1399
01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:10,319
all of this is happening and people pay

1400
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:13,380
attention uh to the media and in the

1401
01:02:17,569 --> 01:02:15,000
news and what goes on here in this

1402
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,579
country suddenly people are talking

1403
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:20,040
about it do you do you what's your take

1404
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:21,660
do you think we have something to be

1405
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:28,910
um no I don't think it's scary if you

1406
01:02:35,569 --> 01:02:31,500
know there is other intelligent life

1407
01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:35,579
here or watching us or about to arrive I

1408
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:38,099
think it would be very interesting to

1409
01:02:44,329 --> 01:02:41,000
let's you know see what they have to say

1410
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,339
the universe is a big place isn't it it

1411
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:46,559
certainly is it's rather daunting when

1412
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:49,260
you think about it all it's it's really

1413
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:52,740
big like infinite big yes there's no way

1414
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,140
we can be the only planet with

1415
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,540
intelligent life on it do you think

1416
01:03:02,390 --> 01:02:59,940
that's the world view now uh you know

1417
01:03:04,089 --> 01:03:02,400
nobody's freaking out right the stock

1418
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,099
market yeah

1419
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:06,480
no I don't think so

1420
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:08,540
it's not like the Twilight Zone episode

1421
01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:13,040
and when you when you yeah

1422
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:18,140
when you think of uh E.T uh an

1423
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,940
extraterrestrial being uh what pops into

1424
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:22,319
your mind what do you see what do you

1425
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:24,780
think of hmm

1426
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,069
it couldn't alien

1427
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:33,359
um being maybe it doesn't look like

1428
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,700
anything that we recognize or know I I

1429
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:37,440
don't know if it looks like humanoid

1430
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:41,099
like the uh you know Whitley strieber's

1431
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:43,500
Grays I don't know it's hard to say but

1432
01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:45,240
probably not

1433
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:46,700
do you

1434
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:51,119
think that we have been visited

1435
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:52,319
yeah

1436
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:58,799
and and that's that's why I'm so

1437
01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:01,319
interested in in speaking to somebody

1438
01:04:05,030 --> 01:04:02,760
that you know is outside of our

1439
01:04:06,970 --> 01:04:05,040
community right yeah I'm not I'm not in

1440
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,980
the community but I'm certainly open to

1441
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,599
believing that it's possible yeah I

1442
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:10,799
think it's

1443
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,020
um probably rather arrogant to think

1444
01:04:17,690 --> 01:04:15,119
that we're the only intelligent life in

1445
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,700
the entire universe well what what what

1446
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:19,440
is worse

1447
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:25,680
universe or or not right I think being

1448
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:28,140
alone would if we were all that there is

1449
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:29,579
that would scare the crap out of me

1450
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:33,900
right we haven't done a great job so far

1451
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,440
and um uh and and here's the other part

1452
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,599
with that

1453
01:04:46,130 --> 01:04:41,520
um the

1454
01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:46,140
sudden friendliness with the media right

1455
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:48,839
all this ridicule right tinfoil hats and

1456
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:53,280
and and we're crazy but suddenly there's

1457
01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:55,380
this friendly side of this now where

1458
01:05:01,849 --> 01:04:57,480
it's it's out in the open and it's being

1459
01:05:03,710 --> 01:05:01,859
discussed uh which may suggest that the

1460
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:03,720
government knows more than they are

1461
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:05,160
telling us they're saying that we're

1462
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:08,220
trying to figure it out but it do you

1463
01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:10,020
think that the government is is sitting

1464
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:12,599
on information and and they know the

1465
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:13,740
truth

1466
01:05:19,609 --> 01:05:17,220
hmm that's a good question I don't know

1467
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:19,619
um I guess it depends on which branch of

1468
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,079
the government you're talking about you

1469
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:24,839
know so uh you know some may be more

1470
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,559
open than others have you heard of I I

1471
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:31,440
love this this is awesome for me have

1472
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:35,160
you heard of the Roswell case

1473
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,700
I mean the original Roswell Area 51 or

1474
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:40,980
everything that's that's two different

1475
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:44,700
areas okay okay uh Area 51 is Nevada

1476
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:48,780
just north of you oh yeah

1477
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:50,579
yes

1478
01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:56,460
you're up on stuff you're up on stuff

1479
01:06:02,750 --> 01:05:59,940
um I'm gonna be uh uh I have a big event

1480
01:06:07,450 --> 01:06:02,760
that's going on at the Luxor Hotel in

1481
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:07,460
Las Vegas in November and you're invited

1482
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:10,020
I would love to have you out there it's

1483
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:12,780
a it's a big event and one of the things

1484
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:15,480
that we're going to be doing is uh on

1485
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:17,700
Saturday night we're gonna load up four

1486
01:06:24,289 --> 01:06:21,299
buses and we're gonna go to area 51.

1487
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:24,299
yeah well neither have I so let's go

1488
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:28,160
there together and and crash those Gates

1489
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,380
sounds like a party but the reason why I

1490
01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:32,880
bring a Braswell

1491
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,819
is that

1492
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:36,960
allegedly I believe that had happened

1493
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:40,319
that a flying saucer crashed there and

1494
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:44,220
we recovered it and that was in 1947.

1495
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:47,880
and and after that all the technology

1496
01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:50,339
started to happen right we started to

1497
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:52,619
and maybe we got this stuff from this

1498
01:06:58,029 --> 01:06:55,799
craft and if that's the case then

1499
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,039
obviously the government would know that

1500
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:01,740
if let's I just want your opinion if

1501
01:07:06,529 --> 01:07:03,780
that actually happened

1502
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:06,539
would you would you think would you

1503
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:08,940
expect our government to admit to

1504
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:11,220
something like that or is that a secret

1505
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:17,029
um what would be the harm in admitting

1506
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:19,260
it if it were a fact

1507
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,900
see this is why you're a guest on this

1508
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:26,829
I mean

1509
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,180
there seems there there's an argument

1510
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,880
here uh for both sides right that

1511
01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:35,280
there's some complicity maybe some legal

1512
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:37,319
issues that the you know if the

1513
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:40,020
government did have this technology and

1514
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:43,380
didn't share it with the world that you

1515
01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:47,039
know heat schools food production right

1516
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:49,740
and and all of that and

1517
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,460
um but maybe they should if they if they

1518
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:55,440
have information the reason why I'm

1519
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,480
bringing this up there's an article in

1520
01:08:04,010 --> 01:07:59,819
Newsweek that came out yesterday

1521
01:08:05,089 --> 01:08:04,020
and uh representative Timber Chet uh of

1522
01:08:09,049 --> 01:08:05,099
Congress

1523
01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:09,059
said to Newsweek this is yesterday that

1524
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,700
we have an alien we have a flying saucer

1525
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:13,920
and we're backwards engineering it and

1526
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:18,600
we may even have alien beings right this

1527
01:08:24,769 --> 01:08:21,540
is a Newsweek Stacy wow I have to check

1528
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:24,779
that out yeah so is that why that is

1529
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:26,279
that why the

1530
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:29,640
technology accelerated so quickly in the

1531
01:08:33,229 --> 01:08:31,980
60s 70s and 80s to now I mean when you

1532
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:33,239
think about

1533
01:08:40,370 --> 01:08:36,540
a hundred years in the 1800s and then

1534
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,380
you go to the 1900s and how quickly

1535
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:43,920
technology accelerated uh exponentially

1536
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:45,480
and so

1537
01:08:49,849 --> 01:08:47,580
um like never before in history do you

1538
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:49,859
think that's because of the supposed

1539
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,739
crash in Roswell and yeah well that's

1540
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:55,920
the idea so check this out that's a

1541
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:57,199
great Point

1542
01:09:07,729 --> 01:09:04,910
um gas lamps and horse and Buggies

1543
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,739
exactly the airplane hadn't happened yet

1544
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:10,560
right Henry Ford is still a few years

1545
01:09:17,639 --> 01:09:15,960
out okay so that's 1900 60 years later

1546
01:09:25,389 --> 01:09:17,649
we had the ventures

1547
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:27,829
[Laughter]

1548
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:29,880
that's the exact point that you're

1549
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:30,839
making

1550
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:33,060
yeah it is definitely something to

1551
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:34,259
question and

1552
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:36,120
to

1553
01:09:40,669 --> 01:09:38,699
death were the ventures

1554
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,679
um uh I'm just gonna stay right here for

1555
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,679
a second they they kind of represented

1556
01:09:49,249 --> 01:09:46,080
the future didn't they they absolutely

1557
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:49,259
right yeah I mean they did uh they're I

1558
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:50,940
think the only rock band that did an

1559
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,219
album for NASA that was commissioned by

1560
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:55,380
NASA to do an album

1561
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:57,000
um yeah they were always very forward

1562
01:10:01,370 --> 01:09:58,199
thinking

1563
01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:01,380
um they came up with the rise of the

1564
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,540
electric guitar and that's you know what

1565
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:06,000
I think that went hand in hand why the

1566
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:08,280
electric guitar became so popular

1567
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,860
although of course you know um

1568
01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:12,960
you know it came about before that but

1569
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:14,940
really the ventures were the ones to

1570
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:16,920
kind of bring it into the mainstream and

1571
01:10:21,709 --> 01:10:19,800
it quickly caught on to other bands

1572
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,719
um and then I think it kind of you know

1573
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:23,280
both of them went hand in hand the

1574
01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:24,540
ventures wouldn't have been as popular

1575
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:26,340
without the electric guitar and the

1576
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:27,900
electric guitar would not have been as

1577
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,300
popular without the ventures no that's a

1578
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:32,880
fact it's a fact and and here's but

1579
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:35,820
here's the other part though that when

1580
01:10:46,189 --> 01:10:41,520
you have the vision of you go to 1960 61

1581
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,199
62 58 where we had this you know the the

1582
01:10:51,709 --> 01:10:48,719
house of the future the car of the

1583
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:51,719
future that everything was convenient

1584
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,900
and automated and The Jetsons and

1585
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:56,640
exactly yeah I was just gonna say The

1586
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,920
Jetsons for sure the flying car and

1587
01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:00,719
that's what the ventures represented

1588
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:04,500
that that that music was part of the

1589
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:08,520
vision of what we could be right

1590
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:12,719
listen to Les Paul you know who's really

1591
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,000
probably the most associated with the

1592
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:16,800
electric guitar and just an incredibly

1593
01:11:20,209 --> 01:11:18,300
talented person

1594
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:20,219
um who luckily I got to meet through my

1595
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,360
dad

1596
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:23,520
um but you listened to his music with

1597
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:26,340
Mary Ford in the 50s it just it doesn't

1598
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:30,360
sound as forward as the ventures you

1599
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:33,420
know they really did bring it to a

1600
01:11:38,689 --> 01:11:36,060
different level no they did they did uh

1601
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,699
Les Paul everybody these are all Les

1602
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:41,280
Paul guitars uh yeah what a wonderful

1603
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:42,420
man you know

1604
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:46,140
he was just such a great person and

1605
01:11:50,689 --> 01:11:48,120
um I feel really privileged that I got

1606
01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:50,699
to meet him I mean he's a legend

1607
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:53,100
I you want me to tell you my Les Paul

1608
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:55,860
story yeah I got one it's not as cool as

1609
01:12:02,870 --> 01:11:59,400
yours it's not as cool as yours I did a

1610
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:02,880
lot of public speaking oh I still do and

1611
01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:06,060
I would lose my voice now I've learned

1612
01:12:11,870 --> 01:12:09,020
how to control it because of Les Paul

1613
01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:11,880
and this is what happened so this is

1614
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:13,470
like 1995.

1615
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:15,000
[Music]

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01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:19,560
and I'm in New York and I'm speaking uh

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01:12:25,729 --> 01:12:23,100
at uh the Javits Center right this

1618
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:25,739
convention center in New York

1619
01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:28,800
um the AES convention and I had lost my

1620
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:32,520
voice that day and so Les Paul comes up

1621
01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:36,120
and and he starts talking to me and

1622
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:39,540
we're in in the in our booth a big Booth

1623
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:43,020
big thing and and I go I can't talk and

1624
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:44,940
he goes oh really what's going on I said

1625
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:47,100
man I've been talking all day and I

1626
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:48,840
gotta do this thing tonight so right now

1627
01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:50,460
it goes

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01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:52,380
I've got the secret

1629
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:57,300
I said what's that he goes Ricola

1630
01:13:03,649 --> 01:13:01,260
I said what he goes Ricola you know the

1631
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:03,659
cough drops right so he takes a handful

1632
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,080
out of his pocket and gives them to me

1633
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:09,120
and he goes you'll be able to talk by

1634
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:10,739
tonight

1635
01:13:16,130 --> 01:13:14,340
I still have one of those ricolas that

1636
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,140
He gave me

1637
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:19,679
one of my prized possessions it's in my

1638
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:21,380
jewelry box upstairs

1639
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:24,780
this old Ricola oh man is it the square

1640
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,620
one yeah yeah in the wrap yeah yeah yep

1641
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:31,679
yep yep yep all because of Les Paul and

1642
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:35,460
and now I keep ricolas in my luggage I

1643
01:13:39,950 --> 01:13:38,400
take them to all the conferences and and

1644
01:13:42,729 --> 01:13:39,960
that's what I do and that's my Les Paul

1645
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,739
story it's true and I'm sticking by it

1646
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,120
yeah he was a really

1647
01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:48,000
um just a very approachable

1648
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:51,960
open Friendly guy you know he would talk

1649
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:54,900
to anybody he was did and being you know

1650
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:56,940
legendary as he was you'd think he might

1651
01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:59,040
be a little more guarded but no he was

1652
01:14:03,950 --> 01:14:01,800
she was wonderful right to the end what

1653
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,960
uh what was Joni Mitchell like can I ask

1654
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:06,000
you that this is a personal question but

1655
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,260
but

1656
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:09,600
yeah well that's another person that I

1657
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,060
got to meet through my dad and

1658
01:14:17,209 --> 01:14:14,640
interviewed her for her she received a

1659
01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:17,219
Lifetime Achievement Award

1660
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:18,600
um so that was actually a phone

1661
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:20,219
interview that I did but when I met her

1662
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:23,699
in person she was actually not doing too

1663
01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:25,860
well um health-wise so she was in a

1664
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:30,060
wheelchair but um I met her during NAMM

1665
01:14:34,189 --> 01:14:32,340
um it was the NEC Awards I believe and

1666
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:34,199
she received a Lifetime Achievement

1667
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:37,380
Award and um yeah I mean it was it was

1668
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,060
really great to meet her because of

1669
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:41,040
course as a young girl

1670
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:44,820
um in you know my teens and tweens of

1671
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,860
course every girl goes through a Joni

1672
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,080
Mitchell period and her lyrics just

1673
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:51,900
always really resonated with me so you

1674
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:53,940
know I'm sure I'm like the

1675
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:56,280
you know who knows twenty thousandth

1676
01:14:59,810 --> 01:14:58,380
person to say how much her music meant

1677
01:15:01,550 --> 01:14:59,820
to me but I always feel like it's

1678
01:15:05,330 --> 01:15:01,560
important to tell the people who made an

1679
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,340
impression on you to give them that

1680
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,440
Accolade that they deserve and she

1681
01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:09,840
graciously accepted it and so yeah I

1682
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,219
didn't talk to her for long in person

1683
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,199
but when I did the phone interview with

1684
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,600
her yeah we talked a lot about

1685
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:18,239
um how me the music business has changed

1686
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:21,060
since she came up and also as a woman

1687
01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:22,679
you know one of the things that I

1688
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:24,179
thought was interesting to talk to her

1689
01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:27,360
about was how Rolling Stone I believe in

1690
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:30,900
the 70s they ran a story about like all

1691
01:15:36,649 --> 01:15:32,940
the men that she had slept with and it

1692
01:15:39,649 --> 01:15:36,659
was just so dismissive and so

1693
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:39,659
um disrespectful we wouldn't do a story

1694
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,400
on a man like that they wouldn't have

1695
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,199
like a list of all the women that he

1696
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:45,600
slept with but they did that to her and

1697
01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:47,340
that you know that was really hurtful to

1698
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:49,500
her and so we talked about that and here

1699
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:50,760
we are you know and it's International

1700
01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:54,060
women's day today yes it is yes it is

1701
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:55,739
hard to mention that at the top of the

1702
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,480
show I was just so excited to have you

1703
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,760
with us that uh I forgot to drop that

1704
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,920
yeah today is international women's day

1705
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:04,320
and you're an author you're a director

1706
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:06,780
and and all the things that you are

1707
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,080
power to the women right and had some

1708
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:12,719
great role models like Joni Mitchell you

1709
01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:14,820
know they've definitely paved the way

1710
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:17,100
for a lot of women to do the things that

1711
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:18,239
they want to do and to express

1712
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,380
themselves artistically have you seen uh

1713
01:16:27,470 --> 01:16:24,239
we're gonna move on in a second but have

1714
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,480
you seen uh Daisy Jones in the six I

1715
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,520
only watched the first episode I did

1716
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:31,860
read the book and I didn't really like

1717
01:16:35,689 --> 01:16:33,420
the book I didn't care for the oral

1718
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:35,699
history style that that the author used

1719
01:16:40,130 --> 01:16:38,340
but but I am curious to see it it's

1720
01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:40,140
definitely I can already see the

1721
01:16:45,010 --> 01:16:43,260
Fleetwood Mac Vibes there it it it's

1722
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:45,020
definitely

1723
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:48,719
for me it it look it's Laurel Canyon

1724
01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:51,600
they live on Laurel Canyon right they've

1725
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:53,400
got all the clubs in there it's it's

1726
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:56,040
really funny how they they mentioned uh

1727
01:17:00,890 --> 01:16:58,500
just about everything right guitars and

1728
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,900
well it's funny how they have her in the

1729
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:03,120
Troubadour but it's totally it's a

1730
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:04,920
completely different interior there's no

1731
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,219
way the Troubadour is that big it's kind

1732
01:17:13,610 --> 01:17:10,560
of funny if you know yeah I know you

1733
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:13,620
know yeah yeah if you know you know

1734
01:17:17,410 --> 01:17:16,020
um there is a documentary that came out

1735
01:17:21,649 --> 01:17:17,420
uh

1736
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:21,659
voice

1737
01:17:28,010 --> 01:17:26,400
and so when you watch that uh and it's a

1738
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:28,020
great documentary it's all about Laura

1739
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,140
okay yeah in fact Michelle faranola who

1740
01:17:36,410 --> 01:17:33,120
is one of the producers on it and she's

1741
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:36,420
a friend of mine she actually gave me

1742
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:39,960
um a recipe for my rock tales book so

1743
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:42,900
um yeah and she also produced uh David

1744
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,840
Crosby remember my name which is another

1745
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,239
incident that I got to interview David

1746
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:52,080
Crosby which was wonderful and uh uh

1747
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:56,000
very so that whole when we talk about

1748
01:18:02,270 --> 01:17:59,760
all of those bands in that scene Laurel

1749
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:02,280
Canyon is is where it was at it just

1750
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:05,520
that's that's that's it so

1751
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,520
um where you have the Linda Ronstadt the

1752
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:10,800
Eagles and

1753
01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:17,689
young yeah all those Jackson Brown and

1754
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:21,140
you know so all of that and then you

1755
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:25,560
Daisy Jones and the six it's kind of

1756
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:27,719
like an amalgamation it is it's got a

1757
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:29,340
Fleetwood Mac but it's got the Eagles

1758
01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:33,900
Linda Ronstadt uh the thing Laurel can't

1759
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,980
yeah uh Crosby Stills well since you

1760
01:18:42,610 --> 01:18:40,080
love conspiracy theories have you read

1761
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:42,620
the book weird scenes inside the canyon

1762
01:18:49,390 --> 01:18:46,860
uh I've heard of it you'll love it yeah

1763
01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:49,400
it's pretty wild

1764
01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:52,500
give me a little taste well they do have

1765
01:18:57,970 --> 01:18:55,800
quite a few uh conspiracy theories that

1766
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:57,980
I didn't think about how many

1767
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:01,739
rock stars came from military families

1768
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:04,980
and um it kind of goes into some of that

1769
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:08,100
and also how many cover-ups there were

1770
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:11,100
with murders in Laurel Canyon so I think

1771
01:19:16,970 --> 01:19:12,300
it's something you should definitely

1772
01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:16,980
check out my my studio in the 80s was on

1773
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,780
Laurel Canyon it was right behind the

1774
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:21,840
coconut teaser okay right there on Selma

1775
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:26,640
all right and uh so yes and I had all of

1776
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:29,820
my friends that lived up there and there

1777
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:32,940
is a certain Vibe uh that you get on

1778
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:35,820
that street and the history

1779
01:19:41,630 --> 01:19:39,199
um you know it's a Houdini right yeah

1780
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:41,640
right yeah my friend actually got

1781
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:43,560
married at the Houdini mansion and I've

1782
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,000
been there too and it's a great place

1783
01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:47,280
but yeah you know I may not be sensitive

1784
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:49,620
to ghostly presences but I have to say

1785
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:52,440
that anytime that at Laurel Canyon and I

1786
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:54,120
used to house sit there yeah you just

1787
01:20:00,050 --> 01:19:57,239
kind of soak in that creative

1788
01:20:02,570 --> 01:20:00,060
Beauty and atmosphere and it really is a

1789
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:02,580
different feel there it's it's very

1790
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:05,880
unusual place and it hasn't changed it

1791
01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,040
hasn't it it just took out the Laurel

1792
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:10,500
Canyon store there and Jim Morrison used

1793
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:12,780
to live above it and yeah it was the

1794
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,699
place that was called was it the ranch

1795
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:17,280
market what was it called I think it's

1796
01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:19,199
just called The Laurel Canyon store and

1797
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,239
then yeah

1798
01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:24,719
and that's right by uh that I've you

1799
01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:26,940
know Jim Morrison called it love Street

1800
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,100
where he wrote the the song about she

1801
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,719
lives on Love Street and you can walk

1802
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,360
down that street and really kind of soak

1803
01:20:39,770 --> 01:20:36,480
up the the rock and roll ghosts it looks

1804
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:39,780
the same baby you drive there you love

1805
01:20:45,290 --> 01:20:42,719
that yeah I mean because for a city that

1806
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:45,300
has so much history

1807
01:20:50,930 --> 01:20:48,000
um to it Hollywood loves to tear places

1808
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:50,940
down so it's nice that Laurel Canyon

1809
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,980
really hasn't changed that much no it's

1810
01:20:58,570 --> 01:20:54,719
totally retained it totally retained it

1811
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:58,580
yeah um now okay so Rob Zombie

1812
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:01,560
here's here's the thing when we talk

1813
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:03,719
about the Paranormal and and everything

1814
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,320
else if there's somebody that really

1815
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:10,560
Embraces it it's Rob in his directing to

1816
01:21:14,450 --> 01:21:11,940
as well

1817
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:14,460
um but the songs

1818
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:17,100
um the theatrics on the stage

1819
01:21:23,630 --> 01:21:20,760
um he knows how to how do I say this get

1820
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:23,640
to get to our scary parts he does it

1821
01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:25,620
really well yeah yeah that's another

1822
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,480
person that well I've interviewed many

1823
01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:30,480
many times because I did specialize in

1824
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:32,100
the horror genre when I was an

1825
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:33,780
entertainment reporter like I said I

1826
01:21:39,410 --> 01:21:35,940
worked for the Sci-Fi channel I also

1827
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:39,420
worked for horror.com dread Central

1828
01:21:43,850 --> 01:21:41,640
um so yeah he was on a lot of my shows

1829
01:21:45,290 --> 01:21:43,860
and I went to visit his sets quite a few

1830
01:21:46,970 --> 01:21:45,300
times

1831
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:46,980
um yeah he's just

1832
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:49,980
a super creative very very intelligent

1833
01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:52,500
person and I feel like

1834
01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:55,140
um he still has yet to make his greatest

1835
01:22:00,850 --> 01:21:58,500
film oh man

1836
01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:00,860
thousand corpses

1837
01:22:08,350 --> 01:22:04,920
yeah that is one scary strong film The

1838
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,360
the set from that the Four Aces Motel

1839
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:10,800
it's right up the street from where I

1840
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,840
live wow yeah and uh to I Trope out

1841
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:17,760
there I don't do stuff like this too

1842
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,460
often but I had to go see it and and

1843
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:22,560
there it is the Four Aces Motel minutes

1844
01:22:28,729 --> 01:22:25,380
right out here in Palmdale yeah he's uh

1845
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:28,739
definitely a historian of the bizarre

1846
01:22:32,990 --> 01:22:30,960
and unusual so where do you think it

1847
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,000
comes from

1848
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:35,760
for him or for and it's for him no for

1849
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,120
him specifically because he he he does

1850
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:42,000
it right he does it right he can he he

1851
01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:45,600
captures the visual in his movies but

1852
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:49,140
also he he's able to it's the theater of

1853
01:22:54,649 --> 01:22:52,199
the Mind in his songs and then I feel

1854
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:54,659
like it's his maybe it's his generation

1855
01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:56,820
I mean he and I were born in the same

1856
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:00,900
year I believe uh 66. so you know being

1857
01:23:06,830 --> 01:23:03,840
Gen X you know we just kind of grew up

1858
01:23:09,169 --> 01:23:06,840
in that era of the 70s as you're a young

1859
01:23:13,310 --> 01:23:09,179
child you know kind of

1860
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:13,320
the popular books then were The Exorcist

1861
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:16,260
you know there was the The Omen uh

1862
01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:19,140
Rosemary's Baby

1863
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,480
um you know like I said Hunter Skelter

1864
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:23,760
Yeah I mean we all read those books when

1865
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,800
we were far too young probably to read

1866
01:23:30,590 --> 01:23:27,840
them so I think that all kind of soaks

1867
01:23:32,689 --> 01:23:30,600
into one's Consciousness and it's just I

1868
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:32,699
think it's more a generational thing

1869
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:36,000
than an individual thing and and being a

1870
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,620
creative person I think he kind of

1871
01:23:42,410 --> 01:23:39,900
latched on to that and found ways to

1872
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:42,420
exploit it creatively I mean certainly

1873
01:23:49,010 --> 01:23:45,659
his songs that he did with white zombie

1874
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:49,020
are very very horror-centric and you

1875
01:23:53,450 --> 01:23:50,699
know the films the Universal horror

1876
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,460
monsters and the monsters and all those

1877
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,679
things that that we grew up with in that

1878
01:24:00,530 --> 01:23:57,960
era he's really embraced and kind of

1879
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:00,540
brought out to the world in a creative

1880
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:04,320
way I saw I saw him I'm trying to think

1881
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,120
uh probably around 2000 right 2001 2000.

1882
01:24:16,729 --> 01:24:11,760
and at the universal Amphitheater right

1883
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:16,739
and and I'm a guest uh my friend uh uh

1884
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:19,140
is opening they're on tour uh you know

1885
01:24:25,850 --> 01:24:20,760
so I'm there and I'm backstage I'm doing

1886
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:25,860
my thing and I when I I stood

1887
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:28,980
um at at the mixing board and watched

1888
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,380
his show right in the center and you

1889
01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:33,360
know the universal Amphitheater right

1890
01:24:38,209 --> 01:24:36,840
that that center aisle yep and I I was

1891
01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:38,219
right there at the mixing console I

1892
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:40,440
watched that entire show

1893
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,460
it scared the crap out of me

1894
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:46,080
it would have been scarier than Alice

1895
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:50,000
Cooper it was it was it's a rock concert

1896
01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:53,580
and the robots and the things and the

1897
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,580
puppets and the flames and and the

1898
01:25:03,770 --> 01:24:59,280
dancing girls on in front of the flat

1899
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:03,780
and the thing and every song was this

1900
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,560
huge bombastic Barnum and Bailey every

1901
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:10,320
song right and these giant three-story

1902
01:25:17,709 --> 01:25:14,940
robots and and and the monsters and I I

1903
01:25:20,110 --> 01:25:17,719
was I was terrified it was awesome

1904
01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:20,120
for him to be able to put that together

1905
01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:24,120
to combine the music with putting on the

1906
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:26,640
stage show was tremendous but there was

1907
01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:29,400
this Vision where this creativity where

1908
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:31,860
this is coming from I'm telling you yeah

1909
01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:39,110
he um uh

1910
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:41,580
okay so House of a Thousand Corpses you

1911
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:43,980
remember it was rated x

1912
01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:45,420
do you remember that

1913
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:47,699
yeah uh yeah I actually covered the red

1914
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:50,760
carpet for that film okay yeah I prefer

1915
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,080
the Devil's Rejects though

1916
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:57,120
about the same for me yeah you're right

1917
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:00,659
you're right about that but the the

1918
01:26:07,090 --> 01:26:05,400
um the the the the hype behind House of

1919
01:26:10,189 --> 01:26:07,100
a Thousand Corpses right

1920
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,199
his directorial debut so that was a big

1921
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,480
deal it was a big deal so he he's on

1922
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:14,880
stage were you at that show

1923
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:18,719
no okay so he announces on stage it's

1924
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:20,820
rated X they won't let me release it

1925
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:23,520
into theaters but I'm gonna play you

1926
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:25,980
tonight the stuff that they don't want

1927
01:26:30,850 --> 01:26:28,920
you to see and then he rolls into a song

1928
01:26:35,450 --> 01:26:30,860
and now we've got it on the big screens

1929
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:35,460
right he was like man dude where where

1930
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,739
are you coming from with this it was

1931
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:39,360
just it was just awesome it was just

1932
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,880
awesome I mean yeah you can definitely

1933
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:43,199
see his

1934
01:26:48,770 --> 01:26:45,900
um cinematic influences definitely the

1935
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:48,780
Sam Peck and PAW you know the the long

1936
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,580
shot on the person that's about to be

1937
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,280
shot and it kind of you know zooms way

1938
01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:55,920
out and taking his time with it and then

1939
01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:56,940
also

1940
01:27:02,750 --> 01:26:59,880
um could definitely see shades of the

1941
01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:02,760
fun house directed by Toby Hooper

1942
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:04,199
um you know so yeah I mean he really

1943
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,780
wears his influences on his sleeve but

1944
01:27:13,070 --> 01:27:09,840
he does make it his own in in you know

1945
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:13,080
really only Rob Zombie can direct a Rob

1946
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:18,360
Zombie film yeah it uh I don't wanna the

1947
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:21,719
reason why I'm I'm dragging this out

1948
01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:25,860
with Rob is that I think all of this can

1949
01:27:31,610 --> 01:27:29,100
imagine certain things but it takes a

1950
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,620
director or a writer you know like

1951
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:34,320
yourself to take it to the next level so

1952
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:37,380
we can experience it and he's not afraid

1953
01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:40,500
to do that to to cross those cinematic

1954
01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:43,980
lines that others you know they just

1955
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:46,739
don't or they don't have the ability to

1956
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,139
do that and he can visually you know

1957
01:27:54,169 --> 01:27:52,080
it's the makeup it's the it's the shot

1958
01:27:56,689 --> 01:27:54,179
it's the framing

1959
01:27:58,610 --> 01:27:56,699
um uh very little special effects you

1960
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:58,620
know this is all stuff that is that is

1961
01:28:04,189 --> 01:28:01,679
filmed and he's just been able to do

1962
01:28:07,129 --> 01:28:04,199
that with dramatic effect not to mention

1963
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:07,139
the actors that he cast Sid Hague bill

1964
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:08,580
mostly

1965
01:28:14,930 --> 01:28:11,460
Sherry Moon Zombie was great as

1966
01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:14,940
a baby Firefly in all the films so yeah

1967
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:16,980
I mean that's also part of it is in the

1968
01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:19,860
casting yeah Sid Hague

1969
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:22,760
Sid Hague and uh

1970
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:25,739
Sid Hank what do you see is other stuff

1971
01:28:30,370 --> 01:28:28,920
right okay okay all right and you go

1972
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:30,380
through his history

1973
01:28:37,610 --> 01:28:33,600
he he he took it and ran with it with

1974
01:28:40,010 --> 01:28:37,620
Rob Zombie yeah yeah I mean he's a very

1975
01:28:43,070 --> 01:28:40,020
very was a very interesting person I got

1976
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,080
to know him pretty well and actually he

1977
01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:45,120
um invited me to his wedding which was a

1978
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,400
great honor it was a very traditional

1979
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:49,679
wedding nothing too crazy it was not at

1980
01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:52,860
the Houdini Mansion but um yeah but he

1981
01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:54,540
really was

1982
01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:59,400
um he was a licensed hypnotherapist he

1983
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,639
was I think he ran for president once he

1984
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:05,040
did costume design

1985
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,260
um you know he was in a lot of he was in

1986
01:29:12,590 --> 01:29:09,600
a lot of the Jack Hill movies in the 70s

1987
01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:12,600
those exploitation uh women in prison

1988
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,000
films and just all kinds of crazy stuff

1989
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,239
so he had a very very storied life so

1990
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:20,760
when he plays Captain Spaulding you know

1991
01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:23,520
he brings all that gravitas and all that

1992
01:29:29,149 --> 01:29:27,239
knowledge to that character you know you

1993
01:29:33,229 --> 01:29:29,159
can really see a lot going on behind his

1994
01:29:35,629 --> 01:29:33,239
eyes which I think is very very wise on

1995
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:35,639
Rob Zombie's part to cast people like

1996
01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:38,639
that who who have that life experience

1997
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:41,580
that they can bring to a role I I I

1998
01:29:48,649 --> 01:29:44,880
can't remember what it was but it was

1999
01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:48,659
like Perry Mason or something one of

2000
01:29:57,229 --> 01:29:53,699
those 70s crime series and he played a

2001
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:57,239
judge yeah well he was also wasn't he

2002
01:30:03,169 --> 01:30:00,000
the judge in the Quentin Tarantino uh

2003
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,179
Jackie uh gosh oh Jackie Brown yeah he

2004
01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:06,000
was in there yeah yeah that's right I

2005
01:30:10,850 --> 01:30:08,040
forgot about that I forgot

2006
01:30:12,890 --> 01:30:10,860
um uh

2007
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:12,900
the monsters

2008
01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:17,280
I I love the movie did you I couldn't

2009
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:19,500
get through it to be honest with you but

2010
01:30:27,169 --> 01:30:22,800
but you know hey uh you gotta give him

2011
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,179
props for taking on such um beloved uh

2012
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,040
series you know not everyone's gonna

2013
01:30:33,470 --> 01:30:31,440
love it but he really went for it man

2014
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:33,480
I've had so many of my friends say the

2015
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:36,239
exact same thing no no no no I stopped

2016
01:30:39,649 --> 01:30:37,199
watching it

2017
01:30:42,169 --> 01:30:39,659
I watched back to back

2018
01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:42,179
I loved it I thought it was great well

2019
01:30:47,629 --> 01:30:45,300
good I mean I you know I I never want to

2020
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,639
argue with people that if they if I

2021
01:30:51,410 --> 01:30:49,199
didn't like something and they liked it

2022
01:30:53,390 --> 01:30:51,420
you know I'm glad that you liked it you

2023
01:30:55,070 --> 01:30:53,400
know that's what people you know when

2024
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:55,080
you're a filmmaker you want people to

2025
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:56,760
like what you're doing so I'm glad that

2026
01:31:03,250 --> 01:30:59,580
a lot of people did like it you're being

2027
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:03,260
too uh politically correct here

2028
01:31:11,629 --> 01:31:06,719
you know I respect that I do but

2029
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:11,639
um I uh I didn't understand

2030
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:15,719
um everybody's uh negative uh take on it

2031
01:31:21,410 --> 01:31:18,480
because I didn't see that I did

2032
01:31:24,290 --> 01:31:21,420
um I thought it was done with respect I

2033
01:31:26,450 --> 01:31:24,300
thought it was funny as all get out

2034
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:26,460
um The Munsters was always a comedy

2035
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:28,980
series oh yeah yeah it's definitely not

2036
01:31:33,890 --> 01:31:31,260
a highbrow comedy and but you know to

2037
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:33,900
begin with it was you know just a silly

2038
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:36,719
show I I actually I'm more of an Adams

2039
01:31:41,709 --> 01:31:38,930
Family person so maybe that's why

2040
01:31:43,729 --> 01:31:41,719
[Laughter]

2041
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:43,739
oh man

2042
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:47,040
um I I wanted to uh uh I'm gonna swing

2043
01:31:53,330 --> 01:31:49,620
back to the strip for a second

2044
01:31:55,610 --> 01:31:53,340
um when did you have this just for me

2045
01:31:59,090 --> 01:31:55,620
did you have a favorite band that you

2046
01:32:01,850 --> 01:31:59,100
used to go and see and and also at the

2047
01:32:05,629 --> 01:32:01,860
same time we can always talk about Aqua

2048
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:05,639
Net and Spandex and competeers but there

2049
01:32:11,390 --> 01:32:08,460
was a at the same time there was a very

2050
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:11,400
vibrant Punk scene that was going on

2051
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:14,760
um in Hollywood at the same time so who

2052
01:32:18,410 --> 01:32:16,500
are you going to go see who were your

2053
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:18,420
favorite bands

2054
01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:20,340
um you know I was more of like a flower

2055
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:25,320
child when I was a young teenager so I

2056
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:26,880
never really

2057
01:32:30,649 --> 01:32:29,100
um got into either the hair bands or the

2058
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,659
punk bands you know I was kind of like

2059
01:32:34,669 --> 01:32:32,159
wishing that the doors were still

2060
01:32:37,129 --> 01:32:34,679
touring so but you know how it is when

2061
01:32:38,450 --> 01:32:37,139
you're a kid and you've got a fake ID of

2062
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:38,460
course you're gonna go see every band

2063
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:40,739
that you can and in retrospect I

2064
01:32:44,570 --> 01:32:42,420
certainly appreciate that I got to see

2065
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:44,580
so many great shows one of the most

2066
01:32:49,310 --> 01:32:47,820
interesting shows that I saw was wasp at

2067
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:49,320
the Troubadour

2068
01:32:55,250 --> 01:32:52,080
um I believe it was a a Halloween night

2069
01:32:58,430 --> 01:32:55,260
and it was a pretty crazy show uh with

2070
01:33:00,169 --> 01:32:58,440
you know Blackie Lawless and his uh Buzz

2071
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,179
saw Cod piece that

2072
01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:02,159
eye level you know you're right there at

2073
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:04,739
the front of the stage so that was a

2074
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:06,960
pretty wild thing to see when you're

2075
01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:07,560
um

2076
01:33:14,209 --> 01:33:11,820
a teenager uh and I saw let's see I well

2077
01:33:16,129 --> 01:33:14,219
I saw the Go-Go's and the plim souls and

2078
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:16,139
I saw a lot of the sort of New Wave

2079
01:33:21,229 --> 01:33:18,239
bands um I never really got too much

2080
01:33:24,649 --> 01:33:21,239
into punk I'm really a a melody and a

2081
01:33:26,510 --> 01:33:24,659
lyrics person so I'm not really into the

2082
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,520
the punk too much but I certainly

2083
01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:28,800
appreciate a lot of the Bands especially

2084
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:32,760
the the older bands I'm confused Melody

2085
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,620
and and flower child and wasp and black

2086
01:33:41,149 --> 01:33:39,360
people all right you know I went to see

2087
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:41,159
them just because it was all I could see

2088
01:33:47,629 --> 01:33:44,760
the doors weren't available at the time

2089
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:47,639
um uh I've seen blockade it's you know

2090
01:33:53,149 --> 01:33:50,639
Chris Holmes uh old old friend of mine

2091
01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:53,159
and Andy Wright that was about theatrics

2092
01:33:58,250 --> 01:33:54,780
yeah

2093
01:34:02,270 --> 01:33:58,260
absolutely do you remember I so I walked

2094
01:34:05,149 --> 01:34:02,280
in this is 1984. and uh Gina zamparelli

2095
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:05,159
takes me to uh the the Troubadour to go

2096
01:34:11,930 --> 01:34:08,100
see a band called ruby slippers oh yeah

2097
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:11,940
I do remember that band oh I had no idea

2098
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:16,800
so I I uh

2099
01:34:22,189 --> 01:34:19,920
I was I was like about I was a Van Halen

2100
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,199
guy right I was about putting on the

2101
01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:24,480
show and and being you know I I was not

2102
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:29,100
ready for what ruby slippers was and so

2103
01:34:34,970 --> 01:34:32,159
we want and it was packed the Troubadour

2104
01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:34,980
was just man I thought well who is this

2105
01:34:48,370 --> 01:34:38,040
band right and they come out and they

2106
01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:52,550
fish nets and high heels and garters and

2107
01:34:57,950 --> 01:34:54,540
they re and I was like whoa whoa whoa

2108
01:35:00,830 --> 01:34:57,960
whoa whoa and they were awesome that was

2109
01:35:03,169 --> 01:35:00,840
they were a great band and and that's

2110
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:03,179
the part of Hollywood that is just it's

2111
01:35:07,970 --> 01:35:04,980
it's gone

2112
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,980
um I I think just like any era

2113
01:35:12,169 --> 01:35:10,320
you don't know that you're part of a

2114
01:35:14,930 --> 01:35:12,179
scene like that because it's just

2115
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:14,940
happening you know what I mean and you

2116
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:16,800
can't force something like that to

2117
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:19,860
happen it happens organically and

2118
01:35:25,070 --> 01:35:22,920
absolutely I mean that was a very short

2119
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:25,080
period in music history when you really

2120
01:35:30,770 --> 01:35:28,260
think back to the Glam Rock days it was

2121
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:30,780
not that many years that it lasted but

2122
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:33,600
now it's come back you know I mean um

2123
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:36,840
what was the the new book the

2124
01:35:40,430 --> 01:35:38,520
um ain't nothing but a good time you

2125
01:35:42,649 --> 01:35:40,440
know that really kind of brings it back

2126
01:35:44,209 --> 01:35:42,659
to people are listening to these bands

2127
01:35:45,530 --> 01:35:44,219
again and it's having sort of a

2128
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:45,540
resurgence

2129
01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:48,719
yeah I agree with you I I do well like

2130
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:52,679
you know uh Daisy Jones and the six is

2131
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:56,400
definitely exposing do you feel

2132
01:36:01,550 --> 01:36:00,000
um at such a great point that the art of

2133
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:01,560
the band

2134
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:08,000
bad a real you know drums bass guitar

2135
01:36:14,570 --> 01:36:11,880
right and a real singer maybe even

2136
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,580
playing at the same time in a studio to

2137
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:15,840
record an album

2138
01:36:21,709 --> 01:36:18,719
all right well yeah I mean I recently

2139
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,719
had Todd Kearns on my podcast and he was

2140
01:36:25,550 --> 01:36:23,760
talking about the latest album that he

2141
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,560
made with his new band Heroes and

2142
01:36:31,550 --> 01:36:28,320
monsters now nobody was in the same room

2143
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:31,560
at the same time and I was kind of

2144
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:34,500
joking about how you know we hear about

2145
01:36:39,290 --> 01:36:37,260
the legendary fights between Fleetwood

2146
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:39,300
Mac or the Eagles and you know they're

2147
01:36:43,129 --> 01:36:41,520
all in the studio at the same time and

2148
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:43,139
we're not going to have these great

2149
01:36:47,689 --> 01:36:45,480
stories you know 10 20 years from now

2150
01:36:51,229 --> 01:36:47,699
about bands that are making music now

2151
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:51,239
there's just not that same

2152
01:36:57,169 --> 01:36:54,179
contact that same being physically

2153
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:57,179
together making music

2154
01:37:02,930 --> 01:37:00,719
there here here's I'm wearing a Black

2155
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:02,940
Sabbath shirt right I see that yes yeah

2156
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,040
we're in a Black Sabbath shirt and today

2157
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:09,840
I was watching a Black Sabbath

2158
01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:13,679
documentary about the making of uh uh

2159
01:37:20,090 --> 01:37:17,400
was a volume four or Masters of Reality

2160
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:20,100
right I'm watching this and Geezer

2161
01:37:25,550 --> 01:37:22,980
Butler said and I've heard him say this

2162
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:25,560
before but when you hear it again it

2163
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,020
just kind of soaks in he goes well you

2164
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:29,760
know our biggest our biggest hit

2165
01:37:36,649 --> 01:37:34,080
paranoid uh we just needed and three

2166
01:37:40,850 --> 01:37:36,659
more minutes of songs you know on the

2167
01:37:43,450 --> 01:37:40,860
record so we wrote that and recorded it

2168
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:43,460
and we're done in 25 minutes

2169
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:45,900
that only happens if you're in the

2170
01:37:57,410 --> 01:37:55,729
creative people all working together and

2171
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:57,420
there's just something to be said about

2172
01:38:03,050 --> 01:38:00,719
being physically present that it just

2173
01:38:05,390 --> 01:38:03,060
adds a different dimension to music I

2174
01:38:07,850 --> 01:38:05,400
mean it's not to say that music that's

2175
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:07,860
you know all recorded separately is not

2176
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:10,560
good but I don't know how um lasting it

2177
01:38:13,970 --> 01:38:11,400
will be

2178
01:38:17,629 --> 01:38:13,980
well there's a creative process I will

2179
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:17,639
never say that there isn't an uh uh yeah

2180
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:22,320
and there is an art to uh creating on a

2181
01:38:28,209 --> 01:38:25,080
drum machine there's an art to I mean

2182
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:28,219
that's an artistic process so you know

2183
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:33,420
NWA or or Ice Cube or whatever they're

2184
01:38:37,729 --> 01:38:35,400
not any less of an artist than anybody

2185
01:38:40,850 --> 01:38:37,739
else it's a creative process and it's a

2186
01:38:44,090 --> 01:38:40,860
tool I get that but there is there is

2187
01:38:47,570 --> 01:38:44,100
something to be said uh to something

2188
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:47,580
like you know the ventures or Elvis or

2189
01:38:53,330 --> 01:38:50,159
Led Zeppelin setting up with a couple of

2190
01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:53,340
mics and letting this thing rip and you

2191
01:38:58,250 --> 01:38:55,380
get you get a vibe from that don't you

2192
01:39:01,729 --> 01:38:58,260
that's the way I mean you can get a Vibe

2193
01:39:04,490 --> 01:39:01,739
definitely you know I recently read Phil

2194
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:04,500
Collins uh Memoir and he was talking

2195
01:39:09,709 --> 01:39:06,719
about how when drum machines came out

2196
01:39:11,689 --> 01:39:09,719
you know and he was very skeptical but

2197
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,699
then he embraced it okay so you listened

2198
01:39:16,129 --> 01:39:13,920
to in the air tonight and that's you

2199
01:39:19,310 --> 01:39:16,139
know that you could never get that sound

2200
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:19,320
and it's it definitely draws you in and

2201
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,440
it's its own thing but you know give me

2202
01:39:27,110 --> 01:39:24,960
a Neil pert drum fill any day of the

2203
01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:27,120
week I'd rather hear that but I love

2204
01:39:30,649 --> 01:39:28,860
them both you know for different reasons

2205
01:39:34,129 --> 01:39:30,659
but yeah there's something to be said

2206
01:39:35,810 --> 01:39:34,139
just about an a real drummer that I I am

2207
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:35,820
drawn to but I'm not saying it's better

2208
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,760
or you know worse than anything else it

2209
01:39:42,590 --> 01:39:41,040
it really depends on what resonates with

2210
01:39:45,470 --> 01:39:42,600
the listener and that's why there's so

2211
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,480
many different forms of music I I love

2212
01:39:50,209 --> 01:39:47,760
this conversation tonight and I've been

2213
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:50,219
watching the chat room and you've

2214
01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:52,199
dropped some really cool things tonight

2215
01:39:59,330 --> 01:39:54,780
and I I've watched the reactions right

2216
01:40:02,090 --> 01:39:59,340
Neil Peart uh Scotty and you Yngwie

2217
01:40:05,390 --> 01:40:02,100
malmstein was mentioned on the show

2218
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:05,400
tonight and uh how cool is that

2219
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,880
um Yngwie played out here and so I got

2220
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:11,280
invited out and and got to hang out with

2221
01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:13,320
him for a minute he signed uh one of my

2222
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:16,500
guitars over there and this is what I

2223
01:40:22,669 --> 01:40:20,159
did did uh with he knew of you know who

2224
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:22,679
I was and stuff uh before

2225
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:26,280
um before uh we started talking but I I

2226
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:27,920
said so

2227
01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:29,639
UFOs

2228
01:40:33,169 --> 01:40:32,040
and this is in the dressing room and he

2229
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:33,179
looked up

2230
01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:35,400
and he started

2231
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:37,020
and then he stopped

2232
01:40:41,570 --> 01:40:38,820
he didn't he didn't say what he wanted

2233
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:41,580
to say there were some there was it was

2234
01:40:47,090 --> 01:40:45,360
it was a weird moment and later on I was

2235
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:47,100
with my friends outside okay did you

2236
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:48,600
guys catch that

2237
01:40:54,110 --> 01:40:52,320
he wanted to say something but he caught

2238
01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:54,120
himself he caught the words before they

2239
01:40:59,169 --> 01:40:57,300
came out of his mouth that's a rare rare

2240
01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:59,179
trait

2241
01:41:02,689 --> 01:41:01,260
but I thought he was going to go there

2242
01:41:03,530 --> 01:41:02,699
for a second

2243
01:41:08,649 --> 01:41:03,540
um

2244
01:41:12,050 --> 01:41:08,659
mention these things

2245
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:12,060
uh with somebody like

2246
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:15,900
um ingve back to Ron Keel right that has

2247
01:41:22,010 --> 01:41:19,920
such a powerful influence on people

2248
01:41:25,610 --> 01:41:22,020
um uh and other guitar players but he's

2249
01:41:28,610 --> 01:41:25,620
only known in a very narrow you know

2250
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:28,620
what I mean it's it's really strange

2251
01:41:34,189 --> 01:41:32,400
with with certain artists that don't you

2252
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:34,199
know burst out right

2253
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:36,600
my mom doesn't know who Yngwie Malmsteen

2254
01:41:40,189 --> 01:41:39,480
is right but Elvis is known around the

2255
01:41:43,970 --> 01:41:40,199
world

2256
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:43,980
right you know what I mean yeah and uh

2257
01:41:49,010 --> 01:41:46,320
and and with somebody like Yngwie I've

2258
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,020
often wondered if that's a frustrate if

2259
01:41:53,530 --> 01:41:51,960
it's frustrating or or if they're aware

2260
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:53,540
of it

2261
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:56,159
I yeah that's a good question I don't

2262
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:56,940
know

2263
01:42:03,109 --> 01:41:57,840
um

2264
01:42:08,350 --> 01:42:03,119
one for spousal abuse maybe he was

2265
01:42:12,890 --> 01:42:08,360
letting out his frustration I don't know

2266
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:12,900
these guys they do act out in some uh

2267
01:42:16,729 --> 01:42:14,580
ways that maybe that's you know maybe

2268
01:42:19,370 --> 01:42:16,739
that's what it's all about but no I feel

2269
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:19,380
like he's revered for what he wants to

2270
01:42:23,390 --> 01:42:22,080
be revered for him is definitely a very

2271
01:42:27,229 --> 01:42:23,400
unique

2272
01:42:29,390 --> 01:42:27,239
um almost gymnastic guitar style which I

2273
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:29,400
appreciate I do like a fancy guitar

2274
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:32,400
player I love Eddie Van Halen

2275
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:35,760
um Jimi Hendrix but really I mean to me

2276
01:42:41,209 --> 01:42:38,580
like the sort of loose sloppy

2277
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:41,219
bluesy guitar playing of Keith Richards

2278
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,520
or or Jimmy Page that's really what

2279
01:42:49,850 --> 01:42:46,320
resonates with me that's what speaks to

2280
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,860
my soul so I feel like you know you can

2281
01:42:54,169 --> 01:42:51,600
appreciate all different kinds of styles

2282
01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:54,179
but really what resumes with your heart

2283
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,340
and soul is you know what people are

2284
01:42:58,910 --> 01:42:57,840
drawn to and different people are drawn

2285
01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:58,920
to different things for different

2286
01:43:04,129 --> 01:43:01,739
reasons I'm not a guitar player

2287
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:04,139
so I just go to what really kind of

2288
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,500
draws me in you know uh earlier today I

2289
01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:09,360
was listening to

2290
01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:11,340
um Pink Floyd you know and that just

2291
01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:13,739
that guitar playing Just

2292
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:15,420
I don't know it just does something to

2293
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:18,960
you it it speaks to you emotionally yeah

2294
01:43:24,290 --> 01:43:21,540
David Gilmore

2295
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:24,300
um said more with one note

2296
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:26,340
than most guitar players do with a

2297
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:30,480
hundred yeah it's really true it's it's

2298
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:34,320
a tone but it's also the no choices and

2299
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:37,760
and his solo work when his guitar solos

2300
01:43:44,689 --> 01:43:42,060
they they emotionally uh slap you upside

2301
01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:44,699
the head you pay attention and yeah it

2302
01:43:50,590 --> 01:43:46,139
just really speaks to you I mean

2303
01:43:55,970 --> 01:43:52,850
I'm going to turn this around just a

2304
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:55,980
little bit the there is

2305
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,280
there's something to be said

2306
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:01,199
about

2307
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:05,400
some of the most influential people come

2308
01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:08,760
in and change everything and then they

2309
01:44:14,570 --> 01:44:09,960
leave us

2310
01:44:20,050 --> 01:44:14,580
Prince Elvis uh you know Kurt Cobain Amy

2311
01:44:23,930 --> 01:44:20,060
Winehouse uh Jim Morrison Jimi Hendrix

2312
01:44:27,050 --> 01:44:23,940
where they come in and they visit us for

2313
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:27,060
these brief periods of time and

2314
01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,199
absolutely there is a period before Amy

2315
01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:33,780
Winehouse there's a period after you

2316
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:34,920
know what I mean there's a period

2317
01:44:40,430 --> 01:44:38,159
absolutely yeah and the same thing at

2318
01:44:43,310 --> 01:44:40,440
Hendrix you know there's there's music

2319
01:44:46,189 --> 01:44:43,320
before Hendrix there's music after

2320
01:44:48,010 --> 01:44:46,199
Hendrix well I mean to me that's almost

2321
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:48,020
like a metaphorical

2322
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:51,840
alien visitation right because this

2323
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:54,719
person is almost otherworldly they're

2324
01:44:59,689 --> 01:44:56,520
here for a short time and then they're

2325
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:59,699
gone and but they leave that residue of

2326
01:45:04,129 --> 01:45:01,199
um something that we didn't know before

2327
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,139
it's almost you know like a like I said

2328
01:45:10,450 --> 01:45:07,440
like a metaphorical alien visitation

2329
01:45:13,010 --> 01:45:10,460
you said it not me I drew out of you

2330
01:45:17,689 --> 01:45:13,020
that's where I'm going with that you

2331
01:45:19,729 --> 01:45:17,699
know I I I you know what was the each

2332
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:19,739
yeah if somebody just brought up Janice

2333
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:21,540
Joplin we after everything we said

2334
01:45:25,129 --> 01:45:22,980
tonight we didn't know we didn't speak

2335
01:45:29,090 --> 01:45:25,139
about Janice Joplin but that's another

2336
01:45:32,330 --> 01:45:29,100
example of that or that genius comes in

2337
01:45:34,430 --> 01:45:32,340
absolutely changes the world and then

2338
01:45:37,310 --> 01:45:34,440
they leave us

2339
01:45:41,689 --> 01:45:37,320
um it's it it happens more times than

2340
01:45:45,169 --> 01:45:41,699
not right well I mean well it's like um

2341
01:45:47,330 --> 01:45:45,179
the Neil Young Lyric

2342
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:47,340
and Kurt Cobain's suicide note it's

2343
01:45:51,229 --> 01:45:50,040
better to burn out than fade away

2344
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:51,239
the

2345
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:55,860
yeah here's here's yeah I have said

2346
01:46:01,070 --> 01:45:59,460
many times that Jimi Hendrix had to have

2347
01:46:04,970 --> 01:46:01,080
been an alien

2348
01:46:06,830 --> 01:46:04,980
and if so and and I don't I don't really

2349
01:46:10,010 --> 01:46:06,840
say it in jest

2350
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:10,020
he was so different Prince is another

2351
01:46:16,250 --> 01:46:12,239
great example of that Elvis is an

2352
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:16,260
amazing example of that uh an Amy

2353
01:46:23,450 --> 01:46:19,080
Winehouse completely different

2354
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:23,460
right completely different and we're not

2355
01:46:30,649 --> 01:46:27,780
afraid to be different and then gone

2356
01:46:32,270 --> 01:46:30,659
yeah it kind of makes you wonder it does

2357
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:32,280
it does

2358
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:33,900
um where can everybody go and see your

2359
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:36,480
films and and get your books

2360
01:46:43,370 --> 01:46:40,159
well the books are all on amazon.com

2361
01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:43,380
they're also on Audible so if you're not

2362
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,780
a reader you can listen to a lot of my

2363
01:46:50,169 --> 01:46:47,760
books on Audible

2364
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,179
um there's my website which is my name

2365
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,320
stacylanewilson.com so that kind of is

2366
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:55,440
the you know you can go from there to

2367
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:57,119
all my social media accounts and

2368
01:47:00,350 --> 01:46:58,260
everything

2369
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:00,360
um the films The Venture stars on

2370
01:47:05,930 --> 01:47:03,119
guitars is actually just went free

2371
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,940
worldwide on YouTube so people can watch

2372
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,679
that just by punching in the Venture

2373
01:47:12,890 --> 01:47:10,080
stars on guitars on YouTube and it's on

2374
01:47:15,609 --> 01:47:12,900
the documentary the music documentary

2375
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:15,619
Channel worldwide

2376
01:47:22,910 --> 01:47:19,199
right now Ventures stars on guitars is

2377
01:47:26,890 --> 01:47:22,920
on YouTube it is I'm gonna put the link

2378
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:26,900
in right now uh you know what uh Bill

2379
01:47:31,370 --> 01:47:30,239
zenzabil genocide uh pop that link up in

2380
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:31,380
the chat

2381
01:47:36,290 --> 01:47:34,560
and that's really cool so that is yeah I

2382
01:47:37,970 --> 01:47:36,300
love that I mean I want everyone to be

2383
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,980
able to watch it you know so that's

2384
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:39,840
really exciting and then um the second

2385
01:47:44,270 --> 01:47:42,480
Age of Aquarius which is a Sci-Fi rock

2386
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:44,280
and roll comedy that I was talking about

2387
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:46,860
with the fictional character member of

2388
01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:48,840
the 27 Club

2389
01:47:53,330 --> 01:47:50,760
um my writing partner Darren Gordon

2390
01:47:55,550 --> 01:47:53,340
Smith who did uh repo the Genetic Opera

2391
01:47:57,530 --> 01:47:55,560
which you may have seen it's a sci-fi

2392
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,540
horror musical

2393
01:48:02,810 --> 01:47:59,280
um so he wrote all the music and it's

2394
01:48:05,390 --> 01:48:02,820
really fun it's period correct 60s songs

2395
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:05,400
that are in that film so that is on to

2396
01:48:11,090 --> 01:48:08,639
be in Voodoo and Prime and

2397
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,100
um really I'm excited about that film

2398
01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:13,679
which came out just about a year ago and

2399
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,300
then I have another movie coming out

2400
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:17,760
called night of the mannequins which is

2401
01:48:23,330 --> 01:48:20,820
uh kind of like tourist trap meets the

2402
01:48:25,609 --> 01:48:23,340
Panic Room and so that's uh that's not a

2403
01:48:27,410 --> 01:48:25,619
rock and roll film but it's more of a a

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horror movie and that'll be out in a few

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months uh do you have a release date yet

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not yet

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okay when that when when you have that I

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want to see it but then I want to get

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you back on the show and let's talk

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about it that'd be

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fine Stacy what a great man just just a

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perfect night on the show for me this is

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all of my favorite subjects wow thanks

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for having me it's just a great show

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thank you so much

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Stacy Lane Wilson and it is

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stacylanewilson.com the links are below

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of course over on our website and we

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have them up throughout social media and

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the Venture stars on guitars I didn't

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know it is now free on YouTube everybody

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go and check it out I think we've got it

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up in the chat now so everybody go and

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check it out uh tomorrow night what have

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I got going on tomorrow night oh

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Elizabeth Hoekstra is with us we will be

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talking about her new book uh which is

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the mother earth effect all of that is

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tomorrow night right here and I've got

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her co-author Olivia Ramirez Smith is

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joining us too as well all right all

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right so that's tomorrow night and then

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we just head into a nice long weekend

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Fade to Black it's produced by him Jay

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church until tomorrow night with

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Elizabeth Hoekstra and Olivia Smith I

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thank you

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